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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:21 am Reply with quote
I'm not sure if that is a good description of this topic but here's what I'm trying to get at"

I just finished watching episode 18 of Scrapped Princess "Back Alley Elegy". It's the one where Furet buys time for Leo to get away with the horses to help Pacifica and Winia escape from the city. Now, what I noticed was that the soldiers attacking Furet were using long bows...IN THE POURING RAIN! Now admittedly, I am not an archer. But, according to the the things that I have read, you cannot use a long bow in the rain because the "string", when wet, streaches thus making the bow useless.

Has anyone else noticed inconsistant things like that? I will have to say that space battle don't count. Thank George Lucas for making us all think there is sound in space. (well, there were probably others before him, but he had the best access to the science.)

I guess I'm just curious. Hope that you don't think this is such a strange topic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:32 am Reply with quote
LydiaDianne wrote:
I'm not sure if that is a good description of this topic but here's what I'm trying to get at"

I just finished watching episode 18 of Scrapped Princess "Back Alley Elegy". It's the one where Furet buys time for Leo to get away with the horses to help Pacifica and Winia escape from the city. Now, what I noticed was that the soldiers attacking Furet were using long bows...IN THE POURING RAIN! Now admittedly, I am not an archer. But, according to the the things that I have read, you cannot use a long bow in the rain because the "string", when wet, streaches thus making the bow useless.

Has anyone else noticed inconsistant things like that? I will have to say that space battle don't count. Thank George Lucas for making us all think there is sound in space. (well, there were probably others before him, but he had the best access to the science.)

I guess I'm just curious. Hope that you don't think this is such a strange topic.


Yeah. Plenty. Quite a few have been made into the Laws of Anime.

http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm

enjoy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:54 am Reply with quote
It is not recommended you use a bow in the rain, but the bow will still function in the rain, it's just likely the string will have to be replaced afterwards and it wouldn't work for extended use. It was not uncommon for bowstrings to be replaced regularly in times past, many archers would carry multiple strings simply because they were not as sturdy as strings today.

Besides, there's also not giant mecha flying around and magic and the like. It's an alternate world, so it's not completely unlikely to consider that the bowstrings would be a different material. Either way, if you're watching anime, or most forms of visual entertainment, looking for complete and total realism then you're never going to be happy because it's not real and usually doesn't even pretend to be.
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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:59 am Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
It is not recommended you use a bow in the rain, but the bow will still function in the rain, it's just likely the string will have to be replaced afterwards and it wouldn't work for extended use. It was not uncommon for bowstrings to be replaced regularly in times past, many archers would carry multiple strings simply because they were not as sturdy as strings today.

Besides, there's also not giant mecha flying around and magic and the like. It's an alternate world, so it's not completely unlikely to consider that the bowstrings would be a different material. Either way, if you're watching anime, or most forms of visual entertainment, looking for complete and total realism then you're never going to be happy because it's not real and usually doesn't even pretend to be.


I guess that I was being nitpicky. I noticed it and it just began to bug me. Just one of those silly little things. I do know that it's fairly impossible for monkey boys to pull a variable length quarterstaff out of thin air nor are there dragons that can turn into Jeeps. Like I said, I noticed it and it began to prey on my mind a bit. Rolling Eyes Embarassed

Treatment - Thanks for the link. Just finished reading it and laughed out loud through most of it! Laughing
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Deltakiral



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:05 am Reply with quote
Then again maybe it wasn't string, maybe something else that would be some sort of nylon. But then again the last time I was using a bow and arrow was almost ten years ago. But that Bow was unreal, I surprise it didn't have a lock on function with all the gadgets and bells/whistle.
Till next time,

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Zalis116
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:05 am Reply with quote
I sort of agree with LydiaDianne, though I think I've watched that episode three or four times and never noticed that inconsistency, probably because I don't know as much about bows and arrows. This is an interesting problem--of course, the audience will readily accept magic, flying mecha, and other trappings of fantasy, but you'd think that they could stick to reality for things that are actually real. I don't know that the string would be nylon or some other synthetic material, which would indicate a 20th-century level of technology. Of course, the technology of Scrapped Princess is a bit inconsistent in itself, since spoiler[the world is officially kept at a medieval level of development by Mauser/the Peaecemakers, but evidence indicates that human civilization had been very advanced. Even within the series, you see huge moving tanks and various other devices that are beyond what they "should be" in advancement. ] Even if longbows were relatively useless, they had to use something to hit a fast-moving target, and given the urgency of their mission, they did what they had to do.[/spoiler]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:07 am Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:
This is an interesting problem--of course, the audience will readily accept magic, flying mecha, and other trappings of fantasy, but you'd think that they could stick to reality for things that are actually real.


I think this hits the chord of it all. Very Happy We can buy those flights of fantasy even if we know they aren't possible because they're usually part of the premise of the world it takes place in; but those other little things that are equally impossible but aren't central to the plot tend to stick out and get on people's nerves.

I know I for one get irritated when the authors make the characters do something I know is impossible, but blantanly breaking the laws of physics to make the story better? I have a degree in it and I rarely even notice unless I'm actively thinking about it. Guess that's just how people are... Rolling Eyes
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AceRyonik



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:38 am Reply with quote
I always look at that sort of thing as "THAT'S where you draw the line!? Cloud can jump three hundred stories and slash through a bolt of energy, but now it's weird for Cait Sith to have a Scottish accent?"
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:39 am Reply with quote
treatment wrote:
Yeah. Plenty. Quite a few have been made into the Laws of Anime.

http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm

enjoy.


Took a look at those rules. In fairness, the majority of them also apply to Hollywood movie-making.
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hentai4me



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:18 pm Reply with quote
Oh yes, I remember an earlier thread in which realistic portrayal of weaponry in anime was discussed. Though that one got off topic into discussing Medieval and Rennaissance military history.
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