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Otaku-Sensei
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Can someone explain what the hell happened in the last episode of gantz? I was so confused. The way I interpreted it was that it was pretty open ended .
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coolerimmortal
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Here goes...
spoiler[The ending sucked, for starters. It was a pathetic attempt to end the series because the manga isn't finished yet. The entire final arc was a joke. Anyways...basically, the ending was saying that Gantz's purpose was just for Kurono to feel better about himself, or something like that. It's been a long time since I saw it, and a lot of the material simply doesn't have a logical explanation...Just interpret the ending this way: it's a load of crap and the real "ending" is to be found in the manga...which isn't over yet.] |
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ShinobiX
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spoiler[From what I remember, everyone died except Kurono because Gantz wanted it that way. Then Kurono got teleported to the place he died and a train was right behind Kurono. Kurono did not want Gantz to control him and I think when the train was about to hit him, Gantz teleported him back to the real world. That part of the ending I'm not sure about and as you already know, it's not explained clearly. The ending leaves you guesssing and you have to infer what happened to Kurono.]
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opaquescum
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First off your going to be dealing with alot of rage in this thread so bare down, and put on a flame resistant suit. The truth is some people get Gantz, and love it alot. Other people have no freaking clue what happened, and are just really ticked by it. I think the problem is this is a extremely deep series. People will argue that, but you can do a point by point blow on the series, and eventually going through the mechanics, morals, characters. Well how many people will read a five thousand word essay. Especially on a show they do not like. Rest assured if your thorough enough, and take the time to study the entire series it will crystalize to you. Atleast you will catch things you missed on the first showing. Though I am assumeing you want the short sweet answer. Well as short as it can be made.
spoiler[Okay we will ignore the rest of the final episode despite the train scene. This is not a literal scene. Think of it more as a review for Kurono. There is actually no real physical danger to him. Thats why he goes down on the tracks. On the tracks he asks the question what they thought they could do all by themselves. The answer ofcoarse has been the entire last episode, and the series for that matter. Think of all those people in the last episode that watched them die on the tracks. Then think about how they behave. They watched these two young boys die on a tracks. Remember these are the same people that were apathetic about the situation in the first episode. Now they are motivated to action be it helping others, or doing the right thing. What kurono, and kato has done has literally changed their world. Their actions have affected others in a good way. This is a major theme in Gantz in how it approaches the aspect of social apathy. I am sure once you review the series you will pick it up more readily. Next while Kurono is running from the train reliveing his final moments as it were two things happen. The people are now rooting for him to live is one, but he encounters that old women. Maybe you have not figured it out, but that old lady is Gantz. That is real important Gantz has a real personal interest in Kurono. Gantz looks at Kurono, and wishes him well. Now if you have not figured it out the game is over. First off the final arc has shown that the rules are just a hoax. A set of obstacles placed in the paths of our heros. Now some people may think Kurono has gone onto the afterlife, or gets killed by the train. Remember in the cutscene after the credits you see no body, and the train passing by. Though those are counterintuitive to the nature of the last few scenes. The truth is the entire last scene is about Kurono makeing a real choice. Remember the last episodes have dealt with his loss. He has lost Kato, and Kishimoto. He is really all alone, and trying to hold it together. Even when things are at their worst. The choice he has to make is a big one. Whether he wants to claim his prize. To keep on liveing, or the opposite to go on to the afterlife. On one hand he has nothing left to go back to. His friends have moved on. He can no longer just live for the game. The guy really has nothing to return to. On the other hand he feals that those that are gone have a strong desire for him to keep on liveing. After all if he lives that gives greater meaning to what has happened. This is actually why the last few moments actually make complete sense. He turns faces how he met his death, and says I am going to live. That is the moment when he makes the choice. He has won the choice through his actions. Also he completely understands this.] Now I could go through all the mechanics of the series, and that is an entirely complex subject, but it holds up what I said above. Plus there are alot of scenes that tie directly into that last scene, but like I said I wanted to keep this as short as possible. The series was graphic, but not explicit. That is part of its power it deals with alot of deep subject matter, and it literally demands that the viewer think about it long and hard. For the ending to be any different would be somewhat naive on the part of the viewer to expect such. Please if you have questions send me a mail this is one of my favorite series. I have seen many of these threads get hijacked by haters, and sometimes lovers. Which in the end only results in a flame fest. |
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gamad
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i like your explaintion opaquescum, so much that i registered for the purpose of writing this post. but who knows maybe i will stay if i will read more intresting posts like yours on this bord.
about the train scene i would add that it seems to me more of an simbolic gesture that means to say that Kurono has decided to face his and evry other living creature on earthes fate wich is death without fear or remorse. this is a meaningfull trensformtion for a human to make, and in a way i preffer this interpution more than the one that you gave, not that what you wrote wasnt logical or anything but to me it seems kinda boring to think that there was any kind of meaning in his comrads deathes , who cares about meaning anyways. to me it seems less of an isue what he does after he survives, if he survives becuase i think the gantz is what importent, ie the decision that one makes when a sacrifice is needed to help anothers . |
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ShinobiX
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Are you insulting me? Because I'm sure what I wrote is how Gantz ended. |
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bennyb
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I believe opaque was referring to how many people hated the gantz ending, (myself included), so simmer down Shinobi-san. ...go to (link I can't post here) and read the manga. Far superior, in many ways, more changes made to the arcs that got animated than you might think. (Also goes in a totally different direction after Buddha mission) Or wait till it gets liscenced in the year 2657 |
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ShinobiX
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Hey I wasn't pissed. I was just looking for an oppurtunity to be a flamer again. It would've been fun. |
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bennyb
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[OT] Flaming is a everyone's guilty pleasure. I used to be disgusted by n00b attacks, now I am the n00b bat wielder. So it goes. P.S. Gantz manga has (minor spoilerz) spoiler[Vampires, Aliens, Global Conspiracies, Sex, Death, Blood, Gore, Swordfights, and all sorts of fun stuff! One of a kind action manga!] |
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ShinobiX
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I did a lot of flaming back in the day. Can't anymore because I'll get kicked of the moderator said.
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bennyb
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[OT] Yea if you want to go tread serious n00b waters try [This URL is a known Bootlegging website] or something, more flamin than you can shake a stick at. |
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opaquescum
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I never got the entire anime must match the manga argument. I suppose if you read the manga your fandom may demand a complete translation. Then again if your purely a anime fan like me your getting sick of these hanging endings. Either its because they want to force you to read the manga, or the series is not renewed. In which case often they do not have the guts to let the series stand alone. I think atleast the manga fans still have the manga so why hold it against the anime fans for wanting a real series. Not just an extended promo.
Absolutely the anime, and manga are different. What might be shocking those is according to the DVD extras this was fully intentional. The anime was supposed to be alot richer in the character developement then the manga for one. Everyone seems to have agreed not to do a straight port. Which is a good thing especially if the anime gave a new dimension to the manga for the readers. Anyway I never see a totally true to the manga thing as a bad thing. That is aslong as it is done for creative purposes, and makes a much more whole product. |
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ShinobiX
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You just have to know what to say. Also I'm a good debater so it's kind of hard for people who don't debate win an argument against me unless they have the power to kick me off. Anyway lets get back on topic because this is the reason I almost got kicked off. -opaquescum I sort of disagree with you because he did not go to the afterlife or die. Watch the last episode again and you will see that just when the train was about to hit Kurono, the timer on the Gantz ran out so he was teleported to saftey or he was set free. Also, in the earlier episodes, one of the main characters said that you needed to get a fix amount of points in order to be released from gantz. That white light probably meant that Gantz set him free. I don't know, it's like you said, you have to infer. He did not die though because it wouldn’t make sense. Gantz favored him. Also, he does choose to live. They are no buts. Last edited by ShinobiX on Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:21 am; edited 1 time in total |
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bennyb
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Like most otakus I wish animes would follow mangas to a tee, but they rarely do. And I totally agree it's on purpose AND endings like the one in gantz + differences are made to pump your interest in buying the manga. Still tho, certain major differences/liberties taken by gonzo studios, ex. spoiler[Green Onion Alien hunt being a gov't mission instea of a T.V. show, old lady as significant in the anime (she only appeared once in manga), incredibly drawn out episodes, etc.] still harmed the flow of the story and prolly did more harm than good to the animes ratings. Just my 2 cents. |
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ShinobiX
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I sort of prefer when the anime does not follow the manga because who wants to watch something or read something when they already know what is going to happen. I mean, that just spoils the fun out of the anime and manga. You wanna kepp guessing whats about to happen. Also, I think animes like these end by leaving you hanging because it leaves an opening for a possible sequel.
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