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frentymon
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I apologize. Somehow, the word "almost" slipped from my eyes and I read your post like this -
I guess I should have read more carefully...
I remember a show (perhaps an anime, not sure) where no matter what you were doing, another "you" in another dimension/world was doing the same thing. Or maybe it was something like "history is always repeating itself, and whatever you do has already been done by someone in the forgotten past." |
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Kaioshin_Sama
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My Muslim friend once told me that some legend regarding the Djinn has your Djinn doing exactly what you are doing in a parrellel universe all the time.
Regarding the whole protection thing I don't know what to say about that, but I'll try anyway with something resembling an anecdote (though I should probably keep from opening my mouth more often): My favorite series is Zeta Gundam and I can find fault with it in some places and even laugh at some parts that are done poorly, likewise Suzumiya Haruhi is not my type of series at all (I don't really like newer shows, especially ones with a large female cast, if anybody wants I'll explain why, but I'd rather not if it can be avoided) but, I still liked it nonetheless, I acknowledge the good (Strong likeable characters, who actually have a personality and whom you want to see have their conflicts resolved) with the bad (silly plots that aren't really my cup of tea, although not silly enough to be annoying which is pretty much the only point where I draw the line between enjoying and not enjoying a series). Though I could never like it as much as I like say a mecha series which is my favorite genre. I think it may depend on the person, whether they are over-protective of a show, or trash on others for one reason or another or not. |
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HitokiriShadow
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To some extent, it does depend on the person. Some people simply can't take ANY criticism no matter how it is worded. If they read/hear something remotely negative about their favorite show (no matter how much it is praised at the same time), they will get offended and counter-attack.
At the same time, if someone starts blasting a series simply because they didn't like it, you can't expect fans to simply sit there and take, particularly if said person is basking in ignorance and is making ridiculous posts. So yes, it does depend on the peson. Both of them. |
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Eidolone
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" In a speech in Cape Town, South Africa, on June 7, 1966, Robert F. Kennedy said, "There is a Chinese curse which says, "May he live in interesting times." Like it or not, we live in interesting times..." Journalists picked up the phrase and it has become a commonplace. However, the popularity of this "Chinese curse" puzzles Chinese scholars, who have only heard it from Americans. If it is of Chinese origin, it has somehow escaped the literature, although it may be a paraphrase of a liberal translation from a Chinese source, and therefore unrecognizable when translated back to Chinese. It might be related to the Chinese proverb, "It's better to be a dog in a peaceful time than be a man in a chaotic period." Stephen DeLong, who has been researching this quotation for several years and details his quest on his own website, has traced the quotation back to a 1950 science fiction story: "U-Turn" by Duncan H. Munro, a pseudonym for Eric Frank Russell. " Sidenote for dormcat , god bless google + wiki |
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-gecko-
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Wow, I sat here and read for about two and a half hours to catch up on this thread...and got about as much out of that time as I could have in two minutes.
When i read Dan's first post on un-originality i immediately went to public lists to see the vast array of anime he has seen, but alas, no list. For me this was quite original. I hadn't seen a better coreographed title, Kyon's commentary was refreshing and the episode order had never been done (as far as I can tell). The characters where meant to be stereotypical to the extent that that enabled the plot; it shouldn't distract from the overall rating of the show, IMO. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni is a totally different anime, and (though SHnY isn't mainstream either) it is far from mainstream, meaning not so many people will appreciate it as much as I do. I often have to go to the third page of posts to dig up the one on this other favorite anime of mine.
I have to vote Mikuru, when she's acting the part for Haruhi. Now for an original question: What's in ths slot to follow up the timeslot SHnY completed, or do they do like the US and rerun the series on TV? |
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Eidolone
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NHK ni Youkoso! (Welcome to the NHK)
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-gecko-
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Are you serious? Is it a cheesy preview of what they have for broadcast? At least that's what the title suggests to an American eye...
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Kaioshin_Sama
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I admit I used to do the basking in ignorance thing. Piece of advice to anybody else, it gets you absolutely nowhere, you cannot make a point unless you have the necessary knowledge to back it up, nobody in their right mind will take you seriously. People seem really interested in the whole un-originality thing, and I'm going to again strongly recommend the TV Tropes website for curious people. It uses Wikisoft so you can add to it if you want, but you have to register with the website to use the edit function. Of course you can just read it if you want as well, its amusing to see some of the names they came up with for some of the cliches, and archetypes, and some entries even attempt to define an origin for a particular trope or cliche. |
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dormcat
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Shoot, another "Chinese idiom" written by fortune cookie makers. No wonder I couldn't find it in any Chinese idiom dictionary. As for the proverb at the end of this paragraph, I'd say it's yet another liberal translation from "寧為雞首 不為牛後" i.e. "better be a leader of a few than a slave of a powerful collective." Thanks for pointing it out for me, Eidolone, and sorry for being off topic. |
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Swissman
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[quote="Dan42"]
Furthermore it's a otaku-show where the audience is supposed to like the female cast very much and looks trough the eyes of Kyon at the girls. It's one of it's strong selling points. Buy as much merchandise from tsundere Haruhi, silent/deadpan Yuki and helpless moe Mikuru as one can. They're wet-dream characters for japanese Otaku.
I'd say on of the themes is "Carpe Diem". At the end of episode 12 Haruhi gets this idea of building up a band with the SOS-dan members for the next festival and there's rather slow & melancholic bgm used instead of a silly tune which stresses the comedy effect. Somehow I got the impression the producers wanted to stress the idea one should make good use of the day as much as possible so that (school) life doesn't get boring. |
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abunai
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Yah, I'm sure there are a million of those. As for myself, I once got a fortune cookie that contained the supposedly apocryphal "Help, I'm beling held prisoner in a Chinese fortune cookie factory". But 成语 (chéngyǔ, four-ideogram Chinese idioms) are popular all over the world for their inherently pithy style. Nowhere more so than in Japan, in fact, where they form a stylistic marker. The Japanese term is 四字熟語 (yoji jukugo, lit. "phrase formed by four kanji"). Sample yoji jukugo:
- abunai EDITED: Typofix Last edited by abunai on Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dormcat
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While four-ideogram idioms are most prevalent in Chinese, a chéngyǔ is not necessary to be four-ideogram. Many of which contain more characters; it's almost impossible to express sufficiently complex meanings with three or less characters, however.
The first is almost identical to Chinese one: 旁若無人, and in many cases 旁 and 傍 are compaticle and interchangeable. The latter two, however, were Japanese originals.
There are several examples used in anime episode titles, but none is better than this one. Are we talking about SHnY? |
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abunai
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I should have pointed that out, yes - the Japanese, as is so often the case, have grabbed an element of Chinese/foreign style and elaborated upon it in their own distinctly Japanese way. I thought the last one was an original Chinese one, though. Shows how much I know. - 娃侮那偉 (Yes, I'm just kidding) |
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Daemonblue
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Well, I started following this series around ep 9-10 (only because the first sub group I got just started on 1 and 2) and pretty much stayed away from ANN or the like while watching it. Before I get to the main point, I'd like to mention that I have a wide range of anime I like, some include Air, Shuffle!, Azumanga, Elfen Lied, Rizelmine, Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan, F/SN, Mizuiro, Lamune, Canvas 2, and many, many more (haven't rated them or put them on my seen lists yet, over 130 and all so far ><). Now the reason I mentioned this before hand is to show that I have a wide view for anime, so I'm not really biased against or for one genre. Now for the point, I LOVED this anime. There's just no other way to express what I feel for it. I'm only here right now because I liked this series so much that it drove to make an account just to give it the "Masterpiece" it deserves, which I reserve for the cream of the crop animes. Yes, I did give several others I liked Masterpiece because they are good, but if there was a way to give it an 11/10, this would be the only one I'd do so on. After reading this entire thread (about 2h40m with breaks between) I've found out there was a LOT I missed. After rewatching Kaleidostar I'm most likely going to watch Haruhi again to try to pick it up.
This was mentioned on another forum, but it seems there's a large amount of viewers who believe that Mikuru is somehow related to Kyon's "sister" (they never actually give their family name in the anime nor do they tell of their past) in that his sister is most likely Mikuru's great-grandmother or the like, which would make sense because of their personalities. As for the Yuki v. Mikuru, Yuki FTW. If it was between Yuki, Mikuru, and Haruhi, I think there'd be a tie. edit: And before anyone says anything, yes, I do know it's weird for someone to like both the strong-silent type of person (Yuki) and the wild/dominating/free spirited (w/e you wanna call it) type of person (Haruhi). |
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W3b3r
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Yeah i know what you mean daemonblue. I think its Yuki's eyes that are really appealing. But Haruhi was kinda cute during the last episode and during "Someday in the Rain". I'd say a tie between all three. But if it was a vote just based on who was the best character I would have to say Kyon. He's just so witty and I really related to him (which is what he was designed to do I'd say).
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