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DrizzlingEnthalpy
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We all (or at least most of us) know that anime is animation that is produced in Japan, regardless of style, and that American cartoons are not anime, regardless of style. Period. But what if...
-An all-American team founds a studio in Japan and creates cartoons there? -An all-Japanese team founds a studio in the United States and creates cartoons there? -If an all-American team makes cartoons in Japan and it still isn't anime, then what percentage of their company must be Japanese in order for it to be anime? -And, conversely, if that's the case, how many non-Japanese working at a Japanese animation company would it take for the animation to not be anime? -And finally, what if half the animation is done by a Japanese crew in Japan and the rest is done by non-Japanese people overseas? Is it half-anime? I know things like this have been asked before, but I don't think these exact questions ever have. |
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camelot187757
 Posts: 426 Location: The Nacirema Dream (17 and counting Asuka) |
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Here's what I think: Despite whatever place its made or produced if looks like anime, then dammit its anime. I know most anime lovers have a pride thing and are always talking about the authenticity thing but until all anime have some kind of stamp of approval or something, just call it anime if it looks like anime and let it go. I'm concerned with style as is to where the thing is made. The Simpsons is made in China or somewhere and it doesn't look shyte like anime so its time we kinda chilled with the whole "its made here so its this" attitude.
Not specifically adressed to you but to all really. Obviously South Park and the Powerpuff girls aren't anime but to use a perfect example,the Boondocks is produced by Japanese made by Sony and all that and it has the ever coveted "anime style" so its anime in my opinion and all that may fall under the same criteria. And by the way whoever asked if Stroker and Hoop is anime a while back the answer is uh-no. |
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Fui
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Oyy let's not introduce weird ideas, I don't want to think about this possibility occuring...
Let's keep anime "JP onry!" and American cartoon NA only, please. However, if somehow an all-American team produces "anime" that nobody can tell that looks distinctly like anime and nobody would suspect that it's produced by all Americans (Japanese people will be the judge of that because of cultural differences) then it should be called anime, I think. Similarly, if Japanese people produced stuff that looks like cartoons in America, then it would be considered cartoons. Heck, Pokemon is probably considered more as "cartoons" than "anime" here. The entire time I was a Pokemon fan I never thought of it as a Japanese animation for some reason, and only as the cartoon on the WB. Basically, if it looks, feels, and talks like anime then it should be IMO...but I've yet to see anything that is American-produced and I would consider anime. America has a wide variety of races so having different kinds of cartoons is not unusual, and also "cartoons" covers a wider variety of shows, whereas "anime" is more regionalized and applies to a certain style.
I'd have to give Boondocks a big "no" on anime. To me it's a no-brainer that it's a cartoon. There's a lot of cultural and stylistic differences that are really common among animes, which Boondocks just doesn't have. Boondocks sticks out like a sore thumb somehow.
I saw that somewhere, and I thought it puts it very well. There's really a big difference in everything about it. Isn't it obvious? |
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Azathrael
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Your preassumptions are incorrect so your entire basis of asking these questions are completely off. Let's start off with a basic definition of "anime", "animation", and "cartoon".
If you look at the definitions of anime and cartoon, you'll notice that they both have a particular style. To say that it's considered "anime" just because it was made in Japan, regardless of the actual drawing style, is ignorance. I thought it was common sense to know that anime is differentiated from cartoons by its particular style, not the fact that it was "made in Japan". I don't know which people you're talking about when you say "most of us". |
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PantsGoblin
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The general definition of "anime" is animation produced in Japan. That's it, no more. I've already argued this into the ground. I don't want to do it again since there shouldn't be any need to. So I won't.
I'm not sure about that one. I think it would be since it's being produced in Japan. I don't think anyone's going to do that just so they can call their cartoon an "anime" though.
Pretty sure that wouldn't be anime.
Ugh, I have no idea. There aren't any specifics set out for the number of staff located in Japan needed for an animation to qualify as an anime. I'd say if the majority of them are it should be considered anime.
Pretty sure it would still be anime. Not 100% sure on any of these though. They're good questions, but at this time I don't think it really matters since nothing like it has ever happened, I think. I know animations that are produced by both American and Japanese companies are considered anime (IGPX). |
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IchigoK90
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Well theres no real basis for this arguement. There are cartoons produced by north-american companies but are animated in other countries due to the fact that it would be much cheaper. As stated before I also believe it has to do with style. American cartoons generally have a more paradioc style and use it more for comedy than anything else. Anime though has its own style by going into other genres rather than comedy though there are still many anime comedies to go around. So in general unless people wanna endlessly argue what anime is and what a cartoon is I think this discussion is over.
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camelot187757
Posts: 426 Location: The Nacirema Dream (17 and counting Asuka) |
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Thank God someone has the same eyes as I do |
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Ataru
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Jeez, with that logic, most cartoons would fall under Korean animation. Animation made for Japan, to me, is anime. Animation made for America, is cartoons. It's all animation to me.
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jousha
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I've got an idea (doesn't answer the questions, but it's still on the same subject):
If Japanese anime is usually based off of manga, it's most likely considered "anime". Is there any anime not based off of manga? My reasoning is that perhaps American "cartoons" based off of comics or graphic novels could be considered "American anime": The Boondocks, X-Men, Spider-Man, etc. I think those should be separated into a category that's closer to "anime". |
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IchigoK90
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There are tons of anime that have not been based on anime but have gone on to have manga adaptations of the anime told in the manga. Thats pretty much what some anime are.......adaptations of their manga counterparts. Some series not based off manga are Samurai Champloo, Fullmetal Panic, Gundam (In general) and many others. So all in all not all anime are based off mangas.
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DrizzlingEnthalpy
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I thought you were joking at first, but you seem to really mean it. Come on, there are old anime in black and white, there are anime that take place in ancient settings, there are anime without violence and there are anime without sex. |
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Ataru
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Ohoni
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-An all-American team founds a studio in Japan and creates cartoons there?
No, not Japanese, not anime. -An all-Japanese team founds a studio in the United States and creates cartoons there? Yes, Japanese, anime. -If an all-American team makes cartoons in Japan and it still isn't anime, then what percentage of their company must be Japanese in order for it to be anime? As little as 1%, If that 1% makes all the creative descisions. -And, conversely, if that's the case, how many non-Japanese working at a Japanese animation company would it take for the animation to not be anime? As little as 1%, If that 1% makes any significant creative descisions. -And finally, what if half the animation is done by a Japanese crew in Japan and the rest is done by non-Japanese people overseas? Is it half-anime? depends on whether they had creative input in that half, such as IGPX, or whether they had no creative input (such as with most anime that are fill animated in Korea) It's all creative control. If a show is writen by Americans*, even Japanese Americans, character designed by Americans, and storyboarded by Americans, then it's not anime, whether it's good or not. If the show is written in America, but the visuals are all from overseas, like IGPX and GI Joe Sigma 7, it's at least partially anime, but not true anime either. Likewise, if a Japanese book or manga is converted into an animation by American visual artist and his team, it would also be only partially anime (although this is less likely to happen). If a show has no Japanese creative input whatsoever, but Japanese people do all the fill animation, it's not at all anime. I do want to stress, before anybody starts whining that they happen to enjoy a show that this would not classify anime, that "anime" is not a qualitative term. A show is not better or worse for being anime, it just is or isn't anime. I enjoy plenty of non-anime shows as much as the anime shows I enjoy, that doesn't factor into it at all. *Note that I say "Americans" because I am American, as are most of this community I believe. You could equally substitute "Canadian", "French", "korean", or any other non-Japanese nationality without changing my meaning. |
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Animefan16
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If it was done there and was first shown there, then it's an anime. Shin Angyo Onshi is anime that's done by a Korean. The manga and anime were made in Japan and was first shown over there, which is why it's considered anime.
Some American comics like Secret Asian Man and Usagi Yojimbo are done by artists of japanese descent but are still american comics since they were done here in the US and were first released here. |
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PantsGoblin
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I thought Full Metal Panic was based on the manga. It says it is in the encyclopedia. Anyway there's a whole bunch of anime not based off of manga. Renai games (aka. dating sims) are often made in into anime. Air, Kanon, Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien, Galaxy Angel, Da Capo, Popotan, and many many more. All of them were based on their corsponding renai games. |
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