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x_Hisoka_x



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:32 pm Reply with quote
In Samurai Champloo Ep. 13 I think, when the group meets up with Mukuro on the beach, I'm a little confused why Mukuro would have a gun seeing as it's not in present times.
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one3rd



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:44 pm Reply with quote
It was made rather clear at the beginning of the series that it's only loosely based around the time period. The show doesn't take itself seriously, so neither should you.
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Fui



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:15 pm Reply with quote
Well the series is intended to take place during the last days of the samurai era when guns existed, albeit not in mass quantities. This is shown by numerous scenes where guns are being produced in workshops, Americans going to Japan by boat, and even some mentionings that "the days of the samurai are over." The "Edo period" is the last spanning period before modernization/globalization.
Wikipedia, teh uberleet encyclopedia of teh w0rld wrote:
The Edo period (Japanese: 江戸時代, Edo-jidai), also called Tokugawa period, is a division of Japanese history running from 1600 to 1867. The period marks the governance of the Edo or Tokugawa Shogunate which was officially established in 1603 by the first Edo shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu. The period ended with the Meiji Restoration, the restoration of imperial rule by the 15th and last shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu. The Edo period is also known as the beginning of the early modern period of Japan.

I'm guessing the events in Samurai Champloo took place in the early 19th century, since they make a statment regarding Perry's visit to Japan later on.

Oh yeah someone already pointed this out but people might get annoyed when you just put "What is..." or "I don't understand..." topic titles which tell us nothing about anything. There's a point for a topic title; I'm sure a lot of people "don't understand" many things they're asking other people. Just forum courtesy I guess?
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IchigoK90



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:35 pm Reply with quote
Well since the end of the Edo period was in the mid-1800s (1867 to be exact) guns (revolvers to be exact) did exist as the first revolver was invented and created back in 1837. So basically guns did exist back then.

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Zalis116
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:40 pm Reply with quote
*checks ep 13* Yeah, and I don't think the "ghetto-capping" style of gun-holding was invented until the 1990s either, but does it really matter? As others have said, Samurai Champloo shouldn't really be taken seriously as an accurate picture of history, so sit back and enjoy the ride.
And look into some history while you're at it: guns are hardly a twentieth-century invention. If my memory, unaided by Google or Wikipedia, serves me right, gunpowder was invented in China a long time ago, and guns were introduced to Europe in 1453 when the Turks invaded Constantinople, thereby eliminating what had been the last bastion of what was once the (Eastern) Roman Empire.

And for the record, it is a bit annoying to see topics in the format "[vague and random words] dot dot dot"; I read your reasons (vague title=curiosity=more post views) in a post that was locked, but I think it's better to include an indication of what the topic is about in the subject. Quality != Quantity of posts--you don't need a large number of people to see the post, you just need the right people who have knowledge about your question to see it.
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pythos



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:47 pm Reply with quote
Fui wrote:

Wikipedia, teh uberleet encyclopedia of teh w0rld wrote:
The Edo period (Japanese: 江戸時代, Edo-jidai), also called Tokugawa period, is a division of Japanese history running from 1600 to 1867. The period marks the governance of the Edo or Tokugawa Shogunate which was officially established in 1603 by the first Edo shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu. The period ended with the Meiji Restoration, the restoration of imperial rule by the 15th and last shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu. The Edo period is also known as the beginning of the early modern period of Japan.


I'm guessing the events in Samurai Champloo took place in the early 19th century, since they make a statment regarding Perry's visit to Japan later on.


The early 19th century would be early 1800's. I hope you meant mid-19th century as Perry's vessels first appeared in 1853 and the bakufu government officially ended in 1867.

Anime_Newcomer:
Please don't take what you see in SC as fact. Its creators, like others before them, took elements from history and spun them to create a good story. It's a very loose interpretation at best. (spoiler[I'm sure you don't believe that there were guys running around rapping during the Edo Period.])
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Fui



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:03 pm Reply with quote
pythos wrote:
The early 19th century would be early 1800's. I hope you meant mid-19th century as Perry's vessels first appeared in 1853 and the bakufu government officially ended in 1867.

Yes, I meant the early 19th century (early 1800's). Perry's vessels did not appear in Samurai Champloo. Rather, spoiler[in the baseball episode after they drove back the Americans it stated that foreigners would not go to Japan again until Perry about 60 years later (which would make it early 1800's + 60 years = about 1860). ]
I was just trying to give a general timeframe figure, not nail the time period down to the exact year, anyway. The entire point was to state that it was entirely possible that guns were available at that time.
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