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Regarding the history of usage of the word "anime"


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:35 pm Reply with quote
When did America first find that when "Astro Boy" first aired here, it was called anime? In other words, when were we told that the Japanese animation we saw in the 60s was called anime?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:05 pm Reply with quote
IIRC, according to wikipedia, in the 80's and earlier the term most often used for Japanese animation was "japanimation", a term that people now tend to look down on. using the term "anime" to describe Japanese animation started to become the standard in the early 90's. so, to answer your confusingly-worded question, we were probably told it was Japanimation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:24 am Reply with quote
What I find funny is that apparently now the Japanese refer to their own animation as Japanimation to differentiate it from the animation from around the world. To the Japanese, ALL animation around the world is called anime.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:00 pm Reply with quote
totalgeek wrote:
To the Japanese, ALL animation around the world is called anime.

yep, and it comes from the french "dessin animé," I believe
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:06 pm Reply with quote
BoygetsfireD wrote:
yep, and it comes from the french "dessin animé," I believe


Debatable. The arguably more plausible theory is that it came from Japan's Romanisation of the word "animation" ("a-ni-me-shu-n"), which was then shortened as the Japanese like to do with long titles and foreign terms (which can be seen with anime titles, even: Fruits Basket = Furuba, Scrapped Princess = Sutepri, etc.).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:11 pm Reply with quote
BoygetsfireD wrote:
totalgeek wrote:
To the Japanese, ALL animation around the world is called anime.

yep, and it comes from the french "dessin animé," I believe


Very debatable, since the word "Dessin Anime" or "pictures in motion" refers to comics, while "anime" in the French context means "in motion."

Also, it seems less likely that the Japanese would pick up a French word, when an English word seems more plausible; particularly considering the level of interaction between Japan and French-speaking countries, and Japan and English-speaking countries.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:40 pm Reply with quote
Coffeeman wrote:
BoygetsfireD wrote:
totalgeek wrote:
To the Japanese, ALL animation around the world is called anime.

yep, and it comes from the french "dessin animé," I believe


Very debatable, since the word "Dessin Anime" or "pictures in motion" refers to comics, while "anime" in the French context means "in motion."


Uhh... no, the French term for printed comic books is "bande desinée" (or "BD"), with animated cartoons being "dessins animés".
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:51 am Reply with quote
Tenchi wrote:
Coffeeman wrote:
BoygetsfireD wrote:
totalgeek wrote:
To the Japanese, ALL animation around the world is called anime.

yep, and it comes from the french "dessin animé," I believe


Very debatable, since the word "Dessin Anime" or "pictures in motion" refers to comics, while "anime" in the French context means "in motion."


Uhh... no, the French term for printed comic books is "bande desinée" (or "BD"), with animated cartoons being "dessins animés".


Darn, I knew I forgot somethign after I dropped French...

But the rest of my argument stands; "Dessins Animes" means "pictures in motion" so "animes" in the French context means "in motion" it'd be a strange transliteration to make that the Japanese word for animation in general!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:05 am Reply with quote
Coffeeman wrote:
But the rest of my argument stands; "Dessins Animes" means "pictures in motion" so "animes" in the French context means "in motion" it'd be a strange transliteration to make that the Japanese word for animation in general!


To be exact, animé in French means "alive with motion." It's the same thing that "animated" means in English prior to the invention of animated cartoons.

(A stone rolling down a hill would not be called animated).

The existence of the words animated and animation in English are derrived from French, and I assume the French words are derived from lating.

So the origin of the word "anime" in English would be something like this:

Latin -> French -> English -> Japanese -> English.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:08 am Reply with quote
So it brings back to my question? When did the word "anime" start appearing? The 80s?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:05 am Reply with quote
Ctimene's Lover wrote:
So it brings back to my question? When did the word "anime" start appearing? The 80s?


Weazul-chan wrote:
IIRC, according to wikipedia, in the 80's and earlier the term most often used for Japanese animation was "japanimation", a term that people now tend to look down on. using the term "anime" to describe Japanese animation started to become the standard in the early 90's. so, to answer your confusingly-worded question, we were probably told it was Japanimation.


Apparently they started using the term in the early 90's
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:57 pm Reply with quote
I read a book that calls British animation "Britoons". That never caught on, and I'm kind of thankful.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:06 pm Reply with quote
MonkeyFunk wrote:
I read a book that calls British animation "Britoons". That never caught on, and I'm kind of thankful.

Neither has Canadanimation, which some people in the mid-90s used to describe the work of the great animator George Plympton.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:48 pm Reply with quote
The Frankman wrote:
MonkeyFunk wrote:
I read a book that calls British animation "Britoons". That never caught on, and I'm kind of thankful.

Neither has Canadanimation, which some people in the mid-90s used to describe the work of the great animator George Plympton.


I think you're confusing George Plympton, the screenplay writer for various westerns and sci-fi B movies with the maverick independent animator Bill Plympton, though Bill Plympton's not Canadian.

I don't know which Canadian animator you're thinking of... Richard Condie, maybe? Clive A. Smith? Norman McLaren? (John Kricfalusi doesn't really count, since most of his work was done south of the border.)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:46 pm Reply with quote
Tenchi wrote:
I think you're confusing George Plympton, the screenplay writer for various westerns and sci-fi B movies with the maverick independent animator Bill Plympton, though Bill Plympton's not Canadian.

I don't know which Canadian animator you're thinking of... Richard Condie, maybe? Clive A. Smith? Norman McLaren? (John Kricfalusi doesn't really count, since most of his work was done south of the border.)

I remember watching "O Canada" BITD on Cartoon Network and I thought it was either George or Bill. He also animated "But the Cat Came Back . . ." *does a quick search* shoot, that was Cordell Barker. ARGH, who am I thinking of, I know I heard a Plympton form the Nation Film Board of Canada! *does another search* Oh, it was Bill Plympton. What nationality is he Question
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