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kamiboy
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In my recent interest in old ass classics such as the Original Gundam, Aura Battler Dunbine and Macross inevitably led me to Star Blazers.
Everybody praises this show and so I though I should buy it, if not just for the historical value. I understand the only version available on DVD in the US is a dubbed version, which got me thinking why only dub? A quick search on DC++ found me a fansubbed Japanese first episode of great quality. So it should have been possible to include the original Japanese dialogue unless the version being sold in the US is actually cut. So, is it cut or not? I also noticed that the show had a second and third season and I wonder if they are worth picking up as well since everybody only mentions the first 26 episodes. Jesus, this anime obsession of mine is bankrupting me three times over. |
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shadow_guyver
 Posts: 307 Location: Tokyo, Japan |
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I think it was "sanitized" a bit for American TV.
I rented the dvd once and while I'm not certain, there were some scenes that didn't quite flow right. Like it had been edited. Oh, and the doctor seemed to become intoxicated by "milk". So, likelyhood of editing high. |
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kusanagi-sama
 Posts: 1723 Location: Wichita Falls, TX |
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The version that a certain group is releasing is the original uncut version (and is called Space Battleship Yamato). The Starblazers licensed version is edited quite a bit, and dubbed only.
So you can buy the Starblazer's version or download the original unlicensed version. Starblazers (distributor and licensor of the edited and dubbed Space Battleship Yamato - which they called starblazers) http://www.starblazers.com/home.html Last edited by kusanagi-sama on Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:51 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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areaseven
Encyclopedia Editor
 Posts: 1486 Location: Makati, Philippines |
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I remember an old Animerica article on Star Blazers and what was cut out of Uchuu Senkan Yamato. Here are some examples:
- In one episode where the Yamato executed a space warp, Yuki (Nova) appeared naked during the sequence. - Baddies screamed to their deaths when they were shot. In the U.S. version, you're led to believe that they're robots. - Dr. Sado drank sake. Dr. Sane drank spring water and for no apparent reason, fell asleep after chugging a bottle. |
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kamiboy
Posts: 570 Location: CA |
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Omitted nudity? I could forgive anything else but that!
Seriously though, I'm starting to get second thoughts about buying it. But it is such a pain in the ass to download the individual episodes... I also saw the first episode of Galaxy Express 999 just now and it looks pretty spiffy... only to find out that it isn't licensed and with over a 100 episodes prolly won’t be. I've also heard good things about Ideon but I can't even find that one as a download, which doesn't look promising. It is a sad day for old ass classic anime and I shall cry myself to sleep this bitter night. |
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kamiboy
Posts: 570 Location: CA |
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I just saw both the English and Japanese first episodes back to back and I have to say that they changed more than falls in my taste. In the Japanese version the commander of a ship refuses to obey the captains retreat orders saying that he would rather die than feel the shame of defeat so he stays behind his ship is destroyed. In the English version the ship is heroically destroyed staying behind to cover the captain’s escape.
Later the brother of the dead guy steals a ship to get revenge by killing an enemy scout ship while in the English he just happens to come by the scout ship. This is shaping out to be way too Americanised for my taste. Not mentioning the horrible dub. |
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the_soultaker
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Although Star Blazers was a bit before my time, (Iv'e seen the series back in the mid '80s) but for the most part the violence were left intact and i don't recall the Gamellons being robots.(Desslok owns!)
There was as much death and violence that the distributors (Claster,IIRC) could broadcast under the censor's evil eye.  I remember a particular episode where the crew of the "Argo" goes through some time warp,which included a scene of the Space Marine's uniforms were deteriorzed and a lil' bare breast shot from Nova. A great series which IMO surpassed the butchered Battle of the Planets., as well as the badly dubbed/edited Voltron. (and you thought SB was badly dubbed?)
The Voyager DVDs are somewhat disapointing (in regards to the video resolution.too many video artifacts.) but their bonuses more than make up for the lack of Video quality. The Yamato Movies are much better (of course) Now those DVDs are worth the $$$$ |
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kamiboy
Posts: 570 Location: CA |
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Ah yes, the movies, I've been meaning to ask about that. Since they are named Yamato and not Star Blazers I assume that they are the Japanese uncut and unaltered versions. Are they a good alternative to the shows or what? |
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the_soultaker
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more than good enough: Be forever Yamato, Farewell to space battleship Yamato, and Final Yamato are great additions to the series. and yes they are uncut and IIRC Farewell has bonus scenes and alternative endings from the Japanese theatrical release. get them if you can! On a side note didja notice that the crew of Yamato's Robot looks vaguely familiar to a certain driod from the Star Wars Movies?  I guess it's true when some have quoted , Yamato was one of the top influentual Animes out there.
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Kaolin_Yatsura
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Sorry this is a bit off tangent but it makes little sense to me that Queen Emeraldas should be licensed as well as Captain Harlock. Galaxy Express and the other two were so neatly fitted together in some ways that it really doesn't make any sense not to have it licensed as well. Matsumoto-san intertwined the stories so closes in some spots that it really makes you wonder if the companies who are buying the licenses are really doing their homework or not....wait did I really just ask that? Never mind forget I said anything. |
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Nagisa
Moderator
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Oh, is this one of those sarcastic "bad bad American distributors are only in it for the money" remarks? I mean...sounds like it. Hate to burst your bubble, but most of the people involved in licensing anime for local release do tend to know a thing or two about the titles in question. Yeah, there's money involved (look at Divergence Eve...but then, look at who got it...), but considering how the employees of these companies are usually anime fans themselves, a certain love & appreciation of the medium that closed-minded fans tend to overlook also plays a significant role. And just to note, Matsumoto's productions aren't as tightly-related as you make them out to be. Sure, characters from different series intermingle with each other and there's a general idea of the story at large playing out, but the actual continuity is loose at best. For every connection between series, there's at least one inconsistency to match it. Also, the majority of these productions are very much self-contained, as well; the viewer can pretty much pick up from any one title and still appreciate the story without having to see 'x' series or movie before it. |
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jfrog
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Viz released VHS tapes of the two Galaxy Express 999 movies way back in the day and they retell the story quite nicely, if you can find them track them down.
1) Leiji Matsumoto liscenses are usually very expensive and not worth the cost, as he's very big in Japan and...not so big in America (to say the least). So as much as I'd like them to release everything he ever touched domestically, it's not gonna happen anytime soon. 2) Matsumoto did not intertwine the stories well. He was openly hostile to the idea of continuity - spoiler[Tochiro died three different times in three different ways in Space Pirate Captain Harlock TV, My Youth in Arcadia: Endless Road SSX, and the Galaxy Express 999 movie.] |
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kusanagi-sama
Posts: 1723 Location: Wichita Falls, TX |
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Why someone would hate continuity in any story is beyond me. |
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jfrog
Posts: 925 Location: Seattle |
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Ever read any superhero comics? Or get trapped in a room with some pathetic geek droning on and on about the life cycle of the tentacle-thing that attacks Luke in the trash compactor scene in A New Hope? I find Leiji Matsumoto's complete disregard for continuity to be pretty refreshing, personally.
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Spazer
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Yes they are very well worth picking up i’d say. The movies are great as well. The second and third series are not cut/edited as much as the first series, the third series is almost intact. A good Star Blazers site... http://www.desslok.com/ There’s a section on that site where you can read about the editing that was done for the american audience. http://www.desslok.com/INFO/didntsee.htm |
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