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kaiza



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:44 am Reply with quote
Seeing as how I have read mostly Berserk, I believe it is the most underrated. I believe its story, art, characters, and world are well-rounded. But, it will never reach its full potential because of the controversial content. i.e religious beliefs, ultra-violence, naked women, etc. As far as overrated, I haven't read the manga, but I have seen the show. DBZ is. I used to like it, but after people talking about it so much...my appreciation for it slowly withered away. Other things caught my attention, and I just moved past it. I'm ain't hatin', I'm just sayin'. Anyone read the DBZ manga, what do you have to say?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:45 am Reply with quote
kaiza wrote:
Seeing as how I have read mostly Berserk, I believe it is the most underrated.

It's not underrated among ANN users. It ranked #2. Wink

kaiza wrote:
Anyone read the DBZ manga, what do you have to say?

I've read it (most parts). Its popularity forbade the author to stop. The publisher wanted to keep milking the cow, and the story became unnecessarily long. The manga was better than anime, but still too long.

If you use Japanese or any East Asian country's standard, I'd say most US-licensed manga are underrated. Here's the page for manga ratings, including under/overrated manga.
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Taruto



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:08 pm Reply with quote
A lot of Shoujo manga are underrated, including things like Pretear and Pita-Ten. I've found a lot of people say they were stupid and out of character, mainly because the story's different nearing the end of both of the manga series.

Other series I've found greatly underrated are Aria and Crescent Moon - they're strange manga (especially Aria), and there's hardly any fans for either (that I've found online.) Confused

[edit] As for DBZ, that's always been overrated IMHO. After the series and manga both got longer and longer to please audiences the stories were recycled and changed over and over and lost a load of fans. I dunno why it's still being published Anime dazed
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aloysius



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:08 pm Reply with quote
Most manga is overrated, especially the stuff that came out when the US market was just beginning to develop, because people read it and thought it was actually the good segment of the Japanese manga industry. Take Fushigi Yugi. It was a fun little series, yes, but I honestly think we can forget it now. It's not a classic and shouldn't be remembered as one, aside perhaps for nostalgic reasons.

Banana Fish isn't underrated by the critics but sure is ignored a lot by the majority of otaku. Sigh.

P.S. Pita-Ten isn't shojo.
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Arkard



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:32 am Reply with quote
I think the one of most underated manga is Eden (have any of you actually heard about it? Just a question really). The story is wonderfull mix of cyber punk, post apocalyptic, action, life drama with one of the most beautiful drawings I ever saw (not really manga-like, more of a realistic look). The characters are so life like and it just boosts up the story to the top 3 of my all time fav manga.
And of course Real, a beautiful story about basketball in the world of handicapped people, the only manga I cried about 3 times. I highly reccomend it.

As for overrated titles.. hmm, oh most definetelly Exxaxion, basically the story in it is pure crap. I cant begind to explain what set me off in it. Maybe the all full violence action with no real plot, or at least without one that would keep my attention. Still I own 4 volumes of it, maybe because I like the naked scenes Razz just Exxaxion is not so great as people (at least in Poland) rate it to be.
And, I know I will probably get flamed by alot of people but I just cant stand Count Caine. People were going off on about how great the manga is and etc etc so I got the scanlations (wasnt published in Poland) and after the first volumes I just couldnt bring myself to read further. Not only were the characters annoying as hell but the art... (again I anticipate the flaming) lets just say I`ve seen better. I would never spend money on it.
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Taruto



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:59 pm Reply with quote
aloysius wrote:
P.S. Pita-Ten isn't shojo.

My bad Anime smile + sweatdrop
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:10 pm Reply with quote
I'm going to have to disagree with Arkard on several counts. Exaxxion is a fine example of a great action manga. The story may not be original, but that isn't important. The storytelling is what matters in a manga like this, and Sonada is one of the best in the buisness when it comes to creating a exciting and fast-paced story. What impressed me even more is how much emotion is infused in this tale, especiall since this genre usually lacks alot it. Hoichii is really a great character, one who is both realistic and heroic, and it's great to see him actually grow.
As for Eden, I thought it was definitally good, but nothing really amazing. It reminded me ALOT of Appleseed, except that it didn't have as strong storytelling or presentation. I kind of group it in with Blame! as a good series with great art, but nothing extraordinary.
I think that alot of people (myself included) dismissed Icaro after reading it. The thing is I was expecting something totally diffrent from what it is. The story is rather simplistic, but Moebius can really write to his artist's style. And the art...oh boy. This is one of the most beautiful comics I've ever layed eyes on, if not the most beautiful. The story is good, but it's more than worth it for the unbelievable artwork.
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Arkard



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:59 pm Reply with quote
I really cant find anything good in Exxaxion and it`s not really the lack of an original plot. The story telling, at least for me, was simply dull. Hoichii was your standard kid, who can save the world. Sure, he had some moral problems with all the killing etc but it seemed so artificial, you know. The characters in Eden stand out alot more then the ones in Exxaxion. The great storyline of Eden, will always appear better than the boring conception and un-interesting characters of Exxaxion.
BUT, everyone has different tastes and whats one mans food is the others poison. Maybe I am simply looking for something other than Exxaxion, it just isnt a "my type manga". Nuff said.

And I just came up with another underrated title. Bremen. Oh man I just love this title and even, at many points, its your basic shonene title with alot of ass kiching and virtually indistructable characters, it still managed to keep my attention. I guess alot of it was due to the fact that Bremen has this punk-rock feel to it, and me being a huge punk rock fan just couldnt put the manga down. Definetely Bremen is not for everyone but you cant deny that it is an interesting title.

And as for some overrated titles I must mention.... Oh boy, now I KNOW you people will get it the wrong way... XXXholic was simply boring as hell. At least for me. I really read alot of it, though mostly from scanlations. And well... the pace of the story is simply too fast sometimes. It all just seems to happen so suddenly and I didn't see alot of room for suspence and entertainment. The characters arent really likable, again, at least for me. The drawing were quite nice but I just dont get why so many people go crazy over it. Me, being a X fan, just cant understand it. I had the same problem with the Chobits manga (I found the anime to be a whole lot better).
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Arkard



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:00 pm Reply with quote
I really cant find anything good in Exxaxion and it`s not really the lack of an original plot. The story telling, at least for me, was simply dull. Hoichii was your standard kid, who can save the world. Sure, he had some moral problems with all the killing etc but it seemed so artificial, you know. The characters in Eden stand out alot more then the ones in Exxaxion. The great storyline of Eden, will always appear better than the boring conception and un-interesting characters of Exxaxion.
BUT, everyone has different tastes and whats one mans food is the others poison. Maybe I am simply looking for something other than Exxaxion, it just isnt a "my type manga". Nuff said.

And I just came up with another underrated title. Bremen. Oh man I just love this title and even, at many points, its your basic shonene title with alot of ass kiching and virtually indistructable characters, it still managed to keep my attention. I guess alot of it was due to the fact that Bremen has this punk-rock feel to it, and me being a huge punk rock fan just couldnt put the manga down. Definetely Bremen is not for everyone but you cant deny that it is an interesting title.

And as for some overrated titles I must mention.... Oh boy, now I KNOW you people will get it the wrong way... XXXholic was simply boring as hell. At least for me. I really read alot of it, though mostly from scanlations. And well... the pace of the story is simply too fast sometimes. It all just seems to happen so suddenly and I didn't see alot of room for suspence and entertainment. The characters arent really likable, again, at least for me. The drawing were quite nice but I just dont get why so many people go crazy over it. Me, being a X fan, just cant understand it. I had the same problem with the Chobits manga (I found the anime to be a whole lot better).
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:11 pm Reply with quote
Well, I could argure about the qualities of the characters of those two mangas, but like you said, it seems rather pointless since everyone has their own taste. I haven't read up to date on Eden (the scanslations are a bit hard to find), and I just think that there are some more compelling mangas from Afternoon.
One think that is never going to be published (unless possibly by an alernative publisher) in the US is Nasu. Most manga fans will probobly be scratching their heads when they read this, or anything by critical favorite Kuroda Iou (Sexy Voice and Robo), as it is dramatically diffrent from typical manga stories. A series of short stories about life, this is definitally a facinating read with great writing and art (Iou's style is so wonderfully diffrent from any other manga I've seen). Fans of American alternative comics will definitally give this a shot. Try this if you want a manga that's a little diffrent from the norm.
And xxxholic (and Tsubasa for that matter) is definitally overrated. The visual style is definitally intriguing, but the story is weak and the characters are boring. CLAMP is hit or miss in my opinion, and I'm sure that it really depends on who's writing.
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molloaggie



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:22 pm Reply with quote
aloysius wrote:
Take Fushigi Yugi. It was a fun little series, yes, but I honestly think we can forget it now. It's not a classic and shouldn't be remembered as one, aside perhaps for nostalgic reasons.



It's going to be hard to forget Fushigi Yugi. Yuu Watase is writing another arc of the story, currently being released in Japan. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:22 pm Reply with quote
aloysius wrote:
Take Fushigi Yugi. It was a fun little series, yes, but I honestly think we can forget it now. It's not a classic and shouldn't be remembered as one, aside perhaps for nostalgic reasons.



It's going to be hard to forget Fushigi Yugi. Yuu Watase is writing another arc of the story, currently being released in Japan. Smile
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darkhunter



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:59 pm Reply with quote
kaiza wrote:
Seeing as how I have read mostly Berserk, I believe it is the most underrated. I believe its story, art, characters, and world are well-rounded. But, it will never reach its full potential because of the controversial content. i.e religious beliefs, ultra-violence, naked women, etc. As far as overrated, I haven't read the manga, but I have seen the show. DBZ is. I used to like it, but after people talking about it so much...my appreciation for it slowly withered away. Other things caught my attention, and I just moved past it. I'm ain't hatin', I'm just sayin'. Anyone read the DBZ manga, what do you have to say?


How is berserk undderrated?
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Arkard



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:22 am Reply with quote
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How is berserk undderrated?


good question. In my opinion Berserk is Big, no more then big, its freaking HUGE. I think most manga fans have at least heard about Berserk and most people who read it classify it as a masterpiece. Even in Poland, where they will never publish Berserk (some f*** act about protecting something I dont know, in short - pure censorship) all polish fans know Berserk and write countless letters to the publishers to bring this great title here. I wouldnt say Berserk is underrated.
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aloysius



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:10 am Reply with quote
molloaggie wrote:
aloysius wrote:
Take Fushigi Yugi. It was a fun little series, yes, but I honestly think we can forget it now. It's not a classic and shouldn't be remembered as one, aside perhaps for nostalgic reasons.



It's going to be hard to forget Fushigi Yugi. Yuu Watase is writing another arc of the story, currently being released in Japan. :)


Yeah, and the only people who care are those who can't seem to get over their nostalgic obsession. This makes me happy. :)
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