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Akemi L. Mokoto
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I’ve seen a lot of Ecchi, and upon seeing Fooly Cooly, I believed that it was an ecchi seeing as it classifies as one. It has some up skirt, Sexual Termology, Sexually Suggestive Scenes, but for some reason, ANN nor Wikipedia classifies it as one. Can someone please explain why it is not an Ecchi?
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draco_nite
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I only saw the first episode myself, but I think it's because it's really not the main focus of the anime. To be ecchi, I think, it needs to have fanservice at least once a minute (on average.)
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PetrifiedJello
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May I ask a question (anyone can answer): Why does it matter?
These classifications are insulting to me, despite their indirection of being so. Case in point: Shakugan no Shana. It's my favorite series, and so I hope you can imagine the stigma that's automatically assigned to me because it's classified as "loli". We all know what the hell happens over this four-letter word. Yet, here, where I'm supposed to be surrounded by fans of anime, I feel I have to be on guard to defend myself in regard to the word and the associations people put behind it. It seems this classification system does more harm than good. So, please answer. I'll take the info I read and learn from it. Maybe I can feel at ease and let my guard down around here and feel proud to tell people my favorite series, rather than feel somewhat shameful due to the negative connotations it seems to have. Thanks, and have a great day. 
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RhymesWithEmpty
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Because it's more like an off the wall coming of age comedy with ecchi elements. If you think of it only as an ecchi show, I think you're going to miss out on a lot of the other elements that make it so wonderful. Really, with the sheer amount of material they managed to cram into only 6 episodes, it almost defies classification, imo - and in that respect, I very much agree with Petrified Jello. Trying to fit this and many other shows into such narrow classifications can be very belittling of the show. Just doesn't do them justice. And it rather limits the way other people might view the show, which really isn't fair. I can agree that FLCL has some ecchi elements, but it's really more than that, too.
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12skippy21
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I think 'ecchi' can only be used as a classification if a series dervives most of its comedy from such scenes you have described. However FLCL uses various types of comedy, animation etc of which 'ecchi' scenes are a very small part. Also lots of shows have some sexually explicit scenes/mentions, doesn't mean they are 'ecchi' (aka Genshiken).
Personally this is my point of view. Admittedly I have preference for psychological and horror genres but I don't like to focus on specifics. As for 'loli' I never understood why flat-chested short girls got this label attached to them despite their age (Shana, Taiga and so on). I have never seen anything wrong with 'loli' characters as long as the story is good/interesting so feel free to proclaim your love for the show
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fighterholic
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Umm, it has some fanservice moments but there is not within that six episode series to qualify it as an ecchi series. I don't think that is the main point of it either. It has its comedic elements, but it derives more from the randomness of the characters rather than its fanservice elements.
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Akemi L. Mokoto
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Well PetrifiedJello, before I get to the issue at hand, I feel that I should ease your Mental and Emotional Pain and Suffering. I’ve seen some of Shakugan no Shana, and being the Self-proclaimed Lolitologist, that I am, plus having 12 years experience in Anime and 5 years in Lolicon, I can tell you right now, Shakugan no Shana, is NOT a Lolicon. I agree with you one one point, this label every anime with a minor in it, is annoying, correct me if im wrong. I mean Loli-Fans shouldn’t label everything they see, as a Lolicon just because, one of the Main Characters are underaged.
Anyway, you said “…this classification system does more harm than good”, could you please enlighten me on what you mean? I mean, I understand the statement at hand, but I just don’t get, what you mean by “harm”. You’re the first person I've ever seen, on the web, to complain about the Genre/Theme Classification System thingy. Now I say FLCL is an ecchi, with experience. Not much, but not little. I don’t see how FLCL isn’t an ecchi. I know Ecchi isn’t its only theme, but that doesn’t mean it has to be ruled out completely. I guarantee if you poll every ANN Member on this website, most of them would agree. Unless of corse Im mistaken by the Definition of Ecchi. I don’t mean to be argumentative here, its just that it seems so “Off Beat” to not even consider FLCL as an Ecchi, seeing as it has nearly every thing an ecchi has. Maybe Im just Mistaken on the Term's Definition. I dont know. I just through I'd ask the ANN Community on what they through. |
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PetrifiedJello
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I'm well aware of your "credentials", as you seem to be in the center of some of the heated debates I've seen. My (unasked for) advice: Maybe you should stop with the credentials. That alone can spark a flame war. At any rate, I've seen the title described as such. Regardless what your opinion may be. You, of all people, should know that people often don't give up their opinions on a matter easily. Neither of us have any power to remove the classification from someone who deems it so.
Let me show you: "Now I say FLCL is an ecchi, with experience. Not much, but not little. I don’t see how FLCL isn’t an ecchi." This is your quote. By merely posting your opinion, you've now opened the door for people to dispute it. While a dispute isn't necessarily harmful, it can be that way, especially when people get real passionate about their opinions. Maybe harmful was the wrong word to use. But for now, due to a lack of a better one since my mind's butter right now, let's just stick with it.
Really? Because I could swear the heated topics you've been in clearly show otherwise.
Argumentative. What an interesting choice word to use when addressing my reply regarding the harm in classification. But please, answer my question why it matters. Your opinion matters to me.
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larinon
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I would think that it isn't classified as ecchi because that doesn't seem to be one of the main focuses (foci?) of the show. Sure, it shares some characteristics in common with other shows that are ecchi, but that just wasn't one of the goals of the series. I think these aspects could affect the age rating that's placed on the DVD, but don't know that they've gone so far with it that it'd be called ecchi.
When I think of ecchi, I'm thinking of things like He is My Master or Green Green. Edit: so basically I agree with Fighterholic and most of the rest of the people in the thread |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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First off, why do you care so much about such a small issue? To be considered ecchi, the central theme must be primarily about fanservice. Because I've watched Fooly Cool three times, I can tell you it isn't about ecchi at all. More like science fiction than anything.
If you have these so called "credentials", any anime fan should know this. Its not rocket science. Also, I too agree with Fighterholic and most of the people here. |
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fighterholic
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WHOA WHOA WHOA!! You're saying that Lucky Star is LOLICON yet you're not going to say that Shana is lolicon? With the few provacative materials that it might have in there compared to Lucky Star you are not going to accuse it of being lolicon? What kind of hypocritical analysis is that?
I think it's safe to say that you are definitely confused on the definition of ecchi. If I point back to what larinon said, ecchi themes are not the main focus of the show. Like I point out again, there is fanservice, but the main point of the show is not for the main character to look at Haruko's naked body throughout the show. |
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Beltane70
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As someone who has been watching anime for almost 25 years, I'd hardly consider FLCL as an ecchi title.
When I usually think of ecchi, I tend to think of anime or manga that's pornographic in nature. Urotsukidoji and the Cream Lemon series come to mind when I think of ecchi. Who knows, maybe my definition is totally wrong. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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Your definition is correct and I've been watching anime for now 8 years now. I've seen my share of ecchi and Fooly Cooly is certainly not ecchi. Shows like Green Green, He is my Master and Midori Days is ecchi. If you think a skirt flip is bad, then I suggest no one ever watch Queen's Blade. |
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yamata no orochi
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FLCL is about adolescence. Sexual awakening is a big part of adolescence, so obviously it is important in FLCL.
But adults, school, violence and guitars are also important in adolescence, and they are also important in FLCL. Dig under all the craziness and explosions in the series, and the central conceit isn't as much about humor and sexual tension as it is about whether or not Naota will "swing the bat". There's also a lot of craziness and explosions in the bargain, but that's besides the point. So yeah, saying that FLCL is ecchi is sort of missing the point. |
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Phantom14
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OK OK, I have just about had it with your so called "experience" For you to go call FLCL as an ecchi anime is simply stupefied on your part. You have obviously missed the entire point of FLCL. FLCL is all about the coming of age of story. Its elements are far beyond the craziness that it entails it. Just because a couple of the characters get to show some bare ass, and Haruko goes on her rampage in a bunny suite does not make it ecchi. Seriously dude, simply you talking about a beloved anime like this makes my skin irk. You are by far the disgusting person ever to grace these boards. You got the attention you wanted simply because you were on the flake of the week for two weeks. You should be happy that ANN bestowed upon you such attention. Now go back to whatever hole you came from and don't come out until you grow up with some adult sensibilities. |
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