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4Kids expects to turn a profit on next quarter figures.




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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:39 pm Reply with quote
Just a heads up:

LA Times: Chaotic creates new order in trading-card games

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Chaotic, which features tribes of warring monsters, has stood apart in the trading-card game industry since its launch by New York's 4Kids Entertainment Inc. in October 2007 because of a new weapon: syncing the game's online version with the physical card game.

It became the bestselling trading-card game in Canada and reached No. 3 in the U.S. last year, deposing the venerable Magic game and trailing only Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, according to distributor reports.
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Though fourth-quarter figures won't be released until March, 4Kids Entertainment Chief Executive Al Kahn told investors in November that he expected the company to turn a profit for the quarter and in 2009, reflecting "the financial benefits of the various steps we have taken in the past two years to invent 4Kids, not only as a merchandise licensing company, but also as a trading-card company with multiple Internet platforms ready to compete in the digital age."


So much for the heralded demise, but this can bode well for a turnaround too in the anime industry.
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eyeresist



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:06 pm Reply with quote
It's good news for the trading card industry - not so sure about the anime industry Wink
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Primus



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:20 am Reply with quote
Honestly, 4Kids is really harmless now. They hardly license anything now. And if they do it's kidomo like Dinosaur King, and Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds, both of which got servicable treatment from 4Kids (heck, Dinosaur King has Japanese music, and on the DVDs the Japanese Opening).
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Wellness



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:36 pm Reply with quote
4Kids make a profit and people say God isn't a comedian.
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Drunk Samurai



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:03 am Reply with quote
Just as long as they stay away from good anime. Then it's fine.
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EricDent



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:32 am Reply with quote
If Chaotic is the number 3 game, then why don't I ever see anybody playing it?

I go to a Comic Store every couple of Sundays (for Pokemon League), and I see lots of people playing Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, and Dungeons & Dragons. Yet no one is playing this game, and there is not a mention of it on the schedule of events for the store.
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Primus



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:11 pm Reply with quote
EricDent wrote:
If Chaotic is the number 3 game, then why don't I ever see anybody playing it?

I go to a Comic Store every couple of Sundays (for Pokemon League), and I see lots of people playing Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, and Dungeons & Dragons. Yet no one is playing this game, and there is not a mention of it on the schedule of events for the store.


This game is targeted at kids, and is in Walmarts, Toys"R"Us, and Target, it is adverstised via a heavy web component, a TV series, and TV commercials. Do you really think Comic Shop #10294 counts for the majority of its' money made?
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BellosTheMighty



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:23 pm Reply with quote
Primus wrote:
EricDent wrote:
If Chaotic is the number 3 game, then why don't I ever see anybody playing it?

I go to a Comic Store every couple of Sundays (for Pokemon League), and I see lots of people playing Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, and Dungeons & Dragons. Yet no one is playing this game, and there is not a mention of it on the schedule of events for the store.


This game is targeted at kids, and is in Walmarts, Toys"R"Us, and Target, it is adverstised via a heavy web component, a TV series, and TV commercials. Do you really think Comic Shop #10294 counts for the majority of its' money made?


He has a point- Most TCGs targeted at the younger set start off in the school lunchroom, then move to the comic shop, and then up to the game store, if they're good enough.

But also, in my experience (which is admittedly a few years out of date) number three is almost always a *distant* three. Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh- the games with huge community behind them- are always in the top spots. Everyone else is scrambling to get by, some games more successfully than others.

Another thing is, the communities are organized into little city-states centered around card shops. There are a goodly number of games on the market, and a given shop only attracts enough customers to support a few. So you'll get one shop where VS. System is a big deal, another where they're big into Pokemon, a third where they prefer Bleach TCG, randomly some place that still likes Legend of the Five Rings, etc. You could go to a place you don't normally visit and find the games they play there are completely different.

In short, it wouldn't be all that unbelievable for a game to be number 3 in the nation and the average gamer to barely even know about it.

Of course, corporate weasel-speak in the press release is also probable...
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