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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 1:36 am
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power moon wrote: | People are literally putting a decent show with some flaws and an actual production disaster in the same group and, in my opinion, that's not fair. |
What does fairness have to do with anything here? It's not like the series that get picked as anyone's "worst" have to pay a fine or be barred from further productions. It's just people saying what they most didn't like of what they watched and why. That's all. Opinions differ, what people value in their entertainment differs, and "fair" doesn't factor into such judgements. As they say, "the heart wants what it wants" and likewise, the heart hates what it hates. It's nothing personal, and none of the series mentioned will suffer one bit from it.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:55 am
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Shay Guy wrote: |
jmckenna15 wrote: | I will never understand the idea that somebody who earns a billion dollars |
Just because someone obtains vast wealth doesn't mean they earned it.
And in the case of Trillion Game, the entire setup is "I wanna get really, really rich!" "Doing what?" "I don't know and I don't care." The point isn't to do anything and make a lot of money by doing it, it's just "make wealth flow in this direction". When I dropped the manga, the company had not created a scrap of actual value and still had no plans to do so.
So in Haru's case, I find the label of "earned" more than a bit of a stretch. |
Haru is absolutely bluffing his way to that billion. But that's the entertaining part of it for me because you want to see how the schemes are going to keep escalating. You're waiting for Haru to run into the one con he can't wriggle out of or Gaku comes in to put a Halt on it (and u think the last couple episodes are that first moment). If the manga is ongoing, then we might not get to where they become billionaires -- which hopefully means more seasons.
I don't mind some of the criticisms of the show -- I know I have my share of them -- but I disagree with dressing them up in some thin moral excuse about how a society with billionaires is flawed because they have "too much money" or whatever.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:58 am
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yeehaw wrote: | I haven't watched Blue Lock but my friend has and she also also has sent me images of the ungodly amouts of merch for this show! They unveiled like 5 new acrylic stand sets every single day!
Maybe instead of drawing illustrations of the principal cast dressed as Vampires, Pirates, the Four Divine Beasts of Chinese mythology, Alice in Wonderland characters and Bakers for what is going to be eventual land filler they could have drawn some in-betweens! |
Kodansha also spent heavily on ads for it in Times Square and in the Premier League. Imagine if they spent that money actually animating the first half of the season!
I will admit that it has gotten much better once the U20 match actually began and its a properly tense encounter but it's a lot of still shots for a sports show.
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power moon
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:07 am
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YackDe wrote: | Dude you're the one responding to literally anybody who mentions it to moan about how nobody understands and it's a crime that people are voicing their displeasure for it (and that's after people already called you out for your reductive attempts to frame people's issues). Have a degree of self-reflection, please, it's kinda sad. |
I was just voicing my opinion. Sorry if I sounded rude while doing it.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:08 am
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revolutionotaku wrote: | Uzumaki wasn't really that bad. |
A lot of people are focusing on how production collapsed for the second episode and never really recovered for the final two, but even if it had kept the visual quality of the first episode, it still wouldn't have been that good an adaptation, as it felt like there was a full volume compressed into 20 minutes each time. That may not have left it as much of a disappointment as it is with the visual implosion, but since there was such a blatant drop in quality, yeah, it really was that bad. |
Another element to it is that fans went into Uzumaki knowing the sad history of Junji Ito anime adaptations so there was hope Uzumaki would buck that trend. Episode 1 made a lot of people very happy and hope was elevated only for it to come crashing down again by episode 2 and never fully recovered. It also means that we are probably never going to get a Junji Ito adaptation that is actually good and he might just be genuinely unadaptable.
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Takkun4343
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:15 am
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jmckenna15 wrote: | Another element to it is that fans went into Uzumaki knowing the sad history of Junji Ito anime adaptations so there was hope Uzumaki would buck that trend. Episode 1 made a lot of people very happy and hope was elevated only for it to come crashing down again by episode 2 and never fully recovered. It also means that we are probably never going to get a Junji Ito adaptation that is actually good and he might just be genuinely unadaptable. |
Episode 1 of Uzumaki proved that a good Junji Ito adaptation is possible. Episode 2 proved that it is also financially infeasible. And that's just taking the animation quality into account!
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:29 am
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I checked out after the first episode of Trillion Game; seemed ugly and like the main cast had a fairly unsympathetic/gross dream. I could imagine a version of it that nevertheless would be interesting to watch, but the character-writing and plotting didn't seem smart enough to pull that off. Glad I didn't continue with it, given the ANN reactions. Also, uh, random aside: why is it called trillion game, if their goal is to become billionaires?
Also one of those folks who was disappointed by Girls Who Couldn't Be Magicians. I lasted a little longer there -- episode 4, I think? -- but I loathe it when shows define cast in terms of some one-note eccentricity, and GWCBM seemed to do that with everyone. Was particularly put off by the guy who sang every one of his lines; he just felt like an obnoxious caricature of a human being. I couldn't actually call it the worst, of course, but the interpretation of 'worst' has always been pretty loose in this ANN piece; no surprise many of the reviewers felt seriously let down by it, given what seemed like an intriguing and visually engaging start, and that many ANN reviewers are pretty into the magical girl genre.
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power moon
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:02 am
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NeverConvex wrote: | Also one of those folks who was disappointed by Girls Who Couldn't Be Magicians. I lasted a little longer there -- episode 4, I think? -- but I loathe it when shows define cast in terms of some one-note eccentricity, and GWCBM seemed to do that with everyone. Was particularly put off by the guy who sang every one of his lines; he just felt like an obnoxious caricature of a human being. I couldn't actually call it the worst, of course, but the interpretation of 'worst' has always been pretty loose in this ANN piece; no surprise many of the reviewers felt seriously let down by it, given what seemed like an intriguing and visually engaging start, and that many ANN reviewers are pretty into the magical girl genre. |
It was literally only one of them that put it in here. No one else even mentioned it. Not sure where you got the idea that "many" of them were let down.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:06 am
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Oh, that's fair. I read the article a few days ago, but I guess reading the thread since then magnified the number of mentions of it in my memory.
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power moon
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:07 am
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NeverConvex wrote: | Oh, that's fair. I read the article a few days ago, but I guess reading the thread since then magnified the number of mentions of it in my memory. |
Yeah, my bad for making it a much bigger deal than it should have been. Sorry.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:13 am
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Oh no worries. Someone vents similarly every season. I think you've been more polite about it than most.
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Shay Guy
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:15 am
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jmckenna15 wrote: | Haru is absolutely bluffing his way to that billion. But that's the entertaining part of it for me because you want to see how the schemes are going to keep escalating. |
You know, The Sting is one of my dad's favorite movies. I had fun watching it with him. And a few years back, I watched and enjoyed Ocean's Eleven. I'm not averse to con and heist movies. But a crucial element of those is establishing that the mark has it coming. You need Doyle Lonnegan, or Terry Benedict, or the Leverage crew's target of the week to be a grade-A scumbag.
Who's Haru's mark? Or Sam Bankman-Fried's? Answer: society. Everybody. Us. People, both investors and consumers, who might otherwise have put their money to something worthwhile. So, I'm not seeing the entertainment.
Plus I didn't buy the plot point of them getting their first investment interest from whatsherface because while they may not have had anything to actually sell, she could sense the sheer manga-protagonist will on them. Will to, again, do nothing in particular.
(I haven't seen The Wolf of Wall Street, but from what I've read, it works in a different way from both your typical con/heist movie and Trillion Game, making a point about society's glorification of Jordan Belfort and his ilk -- while, in a weird way, deliberately making itself and the audience complicit.)
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Sekaro
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:09 am
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Thank god I've never seen any of Junji Ito's works & probably never will. All the trash talk surrounding it is going in 1 ear & out the other for me. The only show I ended up dropping is Tower of God S2 so thats automatically the worst anime this season for me. I stuck around for the first cour & it was painful to watch but I kept on watching because everyone was hyping up the Workshop Battle & how it was going to magically get better. Unfortunately, my hopes were dashed as the series continued to have no form of emphasis on anything. Its not even that the series has god awful animation. its kinda just below average for most of its run but everything about the show just feels so uninspired & just feels like its going through the motions. A complete opposite from the 1st season where it atleast had some ambition to it.
I noticed a lot of people shitting on Blue Lock S2 for the animation but even that anime knows when to put in the work where it matters most.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:27 pm
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Shay Guy wrote: |
jmckenna15 wrote: | Haru is absolutely bluffing his way to that billion. But that's the entertaining part of it for me because you want to see how the schemes are going to keep escalating. |
You know, The Sting is one of my dad's favorite movies. I had fun watching it with him. And a few years back, I watched and enjoyed Ocean's Eleven. I'm not averse to con and heist movies. But a crucial element of those is establishing that the mark has it coming. You need Doyle Lonnegan, or Terry Benedict, or the Leverage crew's target of the week to be a grade-A scumbag.
Who's Haru's mark? Or Sam Bankman-Fried's? Answer: society. Everybody. Us. People, both investors and consumers, who might otherwise have put their money to something worthwhile. So, I'm not seeing the entertainment.
Plus I didn't buy the plot point of them getting their first investment interest from whatsherface because while they may not have had anything to actually sell, she could sense the sheer manga-protagonist will on them. Will to, again, do nothing in particular.
(I haven't seen The Wolf of Wall Street, but from what I've read, it works in a different way from both your typical con/heist movie and Trillion Game, making a point about society's glorification of Jordan Belfort and his ilk -- while, in a weird way, deliberately making itself and the audience complicit.) |
Haru's marks so far have been Dragon Bank, the major conglomerate that Kirihime is the heir of, and the casting company that dumped and ditched their head because he took the fall for a rising star that he helped groom. Those have been the two big marks so far in the first cour.
I kind of get that they got their first investment from Kirihime based on personality. At the time it felt like she was trying to be a power player in her own right and it was a chess match between her and Haru. To her, the money she invested may as well have been pocket change so it's not like she'll be hard off without it. Instead Haru and Gaku grabbed a different partner but Dragon Bank still has a major presence in the story -- or is the biggest "mark" to use your term.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:29 pm
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NeverConvex wrote: | Why is it called trillion game, if their goal is to become billionaires? |
Yen to dollar conversion. You need at least a trillion yen to land on the Forbes Billionaire List (also 1 billion yen is less than $10 million which isn't a lot to write home about.
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