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Zetabag
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:00 pm
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#alfrescoCR wrote: | since i'm a mecha porn addict, i coudnt help but comment on how undetailed with below mediocre animation of almost every, if not all, SPACE battles on IBO(please forgive my grammar). It was like the scenes were animated on a whim or maybe they where animated by some shounen animators, or maybe by the dudes who animated TTGL because of the undetailed scenes and mech frames. Maybe of the time constraints or by the episode director, or maybe by budget issues, who knows.
On a lighter note, it let me think that maybe they were preparing their remaining resources for the last few episodez where i expect it to be well executed with a satisfyimg ending. |
In general IBO's mecha animation is inconsistent. I wouldn't say most of the space battles are medicore, but the cheapness does stand out more during the space battles for some reason.
As for the "why", my hypothesis is it's due to Sunrise's resources being stretched. Keep in mind that in addition to IBO, Sunrise also has Thunderbolt and Origins in production. Granted Origins' mechs are not in 2D so it may not be as much of a drain on resources as Thunderbolt. Also, there are probably not a whole lot of animators that can do 2D mecha since now a days most mecha anime is done in CG.
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EleutheroMaster
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:03 pm
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In episode 44, we saw Mikazuki embrace a sad and teary-eyed Atra at the cockpit of Barbatos Lupus Rex.
In Sunday's episode,Hush tells Atra that something's "different" about her.
Possible reason: Mika and Atra may have finally done the deed!
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jr240483
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:19 pm
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EleutheroMaster wrote: | In episode 44, we saw Mikazuki embrace a sad and teary-eyed Atra at the cockpit of Barbatos Lupus Rex.
In Sunday's episode,Hush tells Atra that something's "different" about her.
Possible reason: Mika and Atra may have finally done the deed! |
highly doubt it. the only way atra would even consider that is that if kudellia was with them. besides. mika is still way to obstruct with orga's words to consider taking in the feelings of a female right now.
though this seriously have we worried. the way this is heading, it have a stinky feeling that this director is using the tomino's "kill em all" approach for these eps and if there is signs of this series heading the same boat ala akame ga kill or char's counterattack, you better believe that people who doesnt like this method, will drop this series when the signs start to show their ugly heads.
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Agent355
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:33 pm
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EleutheroMaster wrote: | In episode 44, we saw Mikazuki embrace a sad and teary-eyed Atra at the cockpit of Barbatos Lupus Rex.
In Sunday's episode,Hush tells Atra that something's "different" about her.
Possible reason: Mika and Atra may have finally done the deed! |
I thought of that, too, although I'd hardly say "finally." They're both kids with zero romantic relationship experience and the only sex education they got is through observing others--Atra presumably at the brothel she worked at (and escaped from before her "debut" as a sex worker herself) and Mikazuki through--I have no idea. He didn't seem to know what a kiss was until he saw Naze kiss Amida, and copied it by kissing Kudelia. Mika seems to take a "monkey see, monkey do" approach to human interactions in general. Unless the other boys spoke about it explicitly (and he payed attention--you can never tell when he's paying attention to anything) or he was shown or saw something explicit...
TL;DR All we saw them do was hug, and going beyond that doesn't seem in character for either of them. If there was more than a hug, I hope we get a flashback detailing how "one thing led to another" and who instigated it, because going from two clueless fourteen-year-olds (were their ages confirmed?) to "btw, Atra's pregnant" in the epilogue will be totally out of left field.
The last two episodes drove home that this might be a losing battle for McGillis, and next episode's title, "Scapegoat," makes me think he might try to wiggle his way out of trouble by turning against Tekkadan--if that's even possible. Kudelia was in the preview, and everyone's on their way to Mars...will she use her political power to help Tekkadan out? HOW?
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BlueAlf
Joined: 02 Jan 2017
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:57 pm
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I agree how the space action scenes can often take a dip in quality. In my opinion though, they're still a far cry from "bad." I think Zetabag actually has a point. Apart from divided production resources, the focus on melee battles (without beam weapons) in the weightlessness of space makes it tricky to make the scenes look good.
I think Ms Okada deliberately made that Hush comment scene open to intepretation. Personally, I think they haven't. But storywise, it's plausible if they already did. Since from the beginning I'm actually more interested for it to develop into a harem, I don't mind either way. (This second season takes place two years after the first, so despite how small they are, I think both Mika and Atra are actually 17?)
I'm kinda surprised with how the final battle will continue on Mars though. Do any of you guys think another mobile armor might show up? G-Reco ended with long sequence from space to ground too. I felt weird when I realized the most recent Gundam big battle we had in space was in Gundam AGE.
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Wrangler
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:49 pm
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It will be interesting how this ends. I don't think it will end well. Not at all...
Maybe message of hope, but not for most. Drama has price i guess.
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BlueAlf
Joined: 02 Jan 2017
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:10 am
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Has anyone here seen episode 47?
Things were sped up, and sadly there were no mech battles, and yeah, this is another talking episode, but this was a pretty awesome one too.
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GarethXL
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:17 pm
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By the looks of how things are playing out of seemed that S3 might be a thing since if they just end the show in 3 EP there would be no social change happen and the only thing that change is the character growth of the main cast.
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Calsolum
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:31 pm
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GarethXL wrote: | By the looks of how things are playing out of seemed that S3 might be a thing since if they just end the show in 3 EP there would be no social change happen and the only thing that change is the character growth of the main cast. |
I agree there just isn't enough time to make any significant change in society.
I mean the orphans have changed alot and at this point they're truly a functional family supporting each other and not blindly anymore but because they want to be with everyone, with organization no matter where he goes.
But alot of the corruption is still there and there's no real signs of it being resolved in a few episodes.
There's a few good old geezers but the amount of corrupt individuals in power offset this to the point where there's been np really positive change in society just going from negative to neutral I'd say.
That and I sorta expected there to be more mobile armor battles.
Imo seeing the revival of several MAs and mankind turning to the gundams and by extension the orphans since their AV system is the only thing that let's then fight them equally (sans Gallelo) would have made a better ending which is impossible with 3 ep left.
Then again McGillis could have some last ditch plan to sic a MA on Gallahorn, blame rustal and have the orphans clean up making em war heros again.
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GarethXL
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:03 pm
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Calsolum wrote: |
That and I sorta expected there to be more mobile armor battles.
Imo seeing the revival of several MAs and mankind turning to the gundams and by extension the orphans since their AV system is the only thing that let's then fight them equally (sans Gallelo) would have made a better ending which is impossible with 3 ep left.
Then again McGillis could have some last ditch plan to sic a MA on Gallahorn, blame rustal and have the orphans clean up making em war heros again. |
OMG CAPTAIN BRIGHT PLEASE ALSO SOMEONE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.
For God sake I hope none of those ideas are used, besides it doesn't make sense considering [s]char [/s] McGillis is painted as a villain, they would need to jump over lots of sharks to remotely make it acceptable in a narrative sense (side note love how they secretly subvert in the issues of the media creating false narrative and the masses blindly believing it without prove our context)
Frankly they could just follow the plot and make a believable asspull with the kids and chocolate made it to earth and goes underground and time skip forward a few years for S3 where Gallahorn power of influence comes in question due to plot device (info leaks on 7 stars corrupt dealings by McGillis before three end of S2 / Mars and the colonies wanting to have independence from earth) and tekkadan could regroup to help out.
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SilverTalon01
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:26 pm
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Hmm well that confirmed what I assumed happened with Mika and Atra a few episodes ago. Did they have a threesome in the cockpit this time though?
Anyway, this whole lets go live secretly on Earth plan was incredibly dumb. Maybe splitting up, but all staying with Orga? After Rustal made it pretty clear he needed a scapegoat, he would clearly hunt them down if they ran. Orga's please kill me and let my men go speech was a bit much for me. Like Rustal, I expected him to man up. If it was just offering to sell McGillis out for a truce, that would be alright but begging was too much.
It feels like they were a bit too lopsidedly backed into a corner here. McGillis's plan was pretty dumb, they got completely out played by Rustal, and backed themselves into a corner. I didn't expect this endeavor to go well for Tekkadan, but it just doesn't feel right watching them make dumb decisions and get played for chumps. Tekkadan has always had a reasonable, even if highly risky, plan before.
Episode 47 Review wrote: | I truly hope that his plea for Kudelia to raise the baby doesn't mean Mikazuki and Atra will both die, leaving her alone. |
Not sure how that would even work. Atra is going to have to survive to have the baby in the first place. I mean I guess Atra could die to something else after the battle, but that would be really dumb.
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BlueAlf
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:30 pm
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I was surprised with how Orga ended up begging too. But I guess that just shows how desparate the situation was. Remember, they can hardly fight anymore because their equipment needs fixing, but since their assets have been frozen, they don't have the money to do the fixing.
Again, I'm surprised with just how many things Ms Okada managed to cram into a single episode. Not only bringing the old men back into the picture, she managed to push a lot of different things too. IMO, although the idea to move to Earth sounds stupid, it's probably the only plan they managed to come up with. Besides, we still don't know Makanai's stance on the matter. So there's still a lot of possible drama to unfold.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was Nobliss who planned Kudelia's assassination in the first place, right?
Again, I really hope we get a season 3 later on.
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Batknight
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:35 pm
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SilverTalon01 wrote: | Hmm well that confirmed what I assumed happened with Mika and Atra a few episodes ago. Did they have a threesome in the cockpit this time though?
Anyway, this whole lets go live secretly on Earth plan was incredibly dumb. Maybe splitting up, but all staying with Orga? After Rustal made it pretty clear he needed a scapegoat, he would clearly hunt them down if they ran. Orga's please kill me and let my men go speech was a bit much for me. Like Rustal, I expected him to man up. If it was just offering to sell McGillis out for a truce, that would be alright but begging was too much.
It feels like they were a bit too lopsidedly backed into a corner here. McGillis's plan was pretty dumb, they got completely out played by Rustal, and backed themselves into a corner. I didn't expect this endeavor to go well for Tekkadan, but it just doesn't feel right watching them make dumb decisions and get played for chumps. Tekkadan has always had a reasonable, even if highly risky, plan before.
Episode 47 Review wrote: | I truly hope that his plea for Kudelia to raise the baby doesn't mean Mikazuki and Atra will both die, leaving her alone. |
Not sure how that would even work. Atra is going to have to survive to have the baby in the first place. I mean I guess Atra could die to something else after the battle, but that would be really dumb. |
Don't see how the plan to escape to earth is dumb. If all their information and identities were changed and tampered with it would make it incrediably diffcult for Rustal to find them. Though if they did make it to earth I doubt all the hundreds of members of Tekkadan could stay together. Some would probably be forced to split up to keep a low profile. I don't blame Orga for begging. This entire situation is his fault and a result of his big get rich quick gamble and it's failed miserably and now he's dealing with consequences. His whole family is about to be slaughtered ruthlessly with no hope of escape and he's desperate save them to make things right anyway he can even if that means letting go of his pride. The failure of Mcgillis's plan can largely be blamed on his childhood trauma of poverty and sexual abuse. It caused him to place too much faith in Bael's symbolic power to win over the other seven stars due to how it saved his life and caused him to live a childish power fantasy so he won't be taken advantage again. He's now lost everything because of it though to be fair there might have been some hints that he has something up his sleeve. Tekkadan themselves haven't made any dumb decisions, just a ton of risky gambles that have always paid off until this one of with Mcgillis. Things had to go this wrong eventually and now they finally have.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:15 pm
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SilverTalon01 wrote: |
Tekkadan has always had a reasonable, even if highly risky, plan before. |
Except for things like opting to go down fighting the brunt of Gllarhorn's fleet in the Dort 3 arc up until Kudelia forced Gllarhorn into a corner.
Quote: | Atra and Mikazuki have consummated their relationship, and Atra might even be pregnant with Mika's baby. Kudelia is hurt at first, because she feels like Mikazuki has chosen Atra over her, |
Mikazuki kissed Kudelia first but apparently had sex with Atra first probably could've been avoided had season 1 better handled followup of Mikazuki's and Kudelia's relationship instead of glossing over it entirely. Whereas they had no problem with handling Atra and Mikazuki's relationship in season 2.
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FenixFiesta
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:57 am
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BlueAlf wrote: |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was Nobliss who planned Kudelia's assassination in the first place, right?
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That is correct, and he switched his opinion when Kudelia proved to be a useful tool alive than being martyr.
The crux seems to be that Kudelia never learned of this, and didn't learn Fumitan was an agent working for him else even Kudelia probably wouldn't be so civil.
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