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Gem-Bug
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 5:02 pm
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power moon wrote: |
killjoy_the wrote: | We end up having these conversations every time these articles come up, but Worst isn't some kind of objective measure where they need to put the one that was worst produced or has the worst message, just the one they (probably) finished watching and thought was most disappointing. Or whatever, it's pretty free for interpretation for each writer. No need to take it to heart like that |
Sorry, I was just a little annoyed that a show I watched and enjoyed ended up in here, that's all. |
You can also not click on articles, links, avoid the forums, etc, etc. Not a deep or unbelievable concept.
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ThrowMeOut
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:14 pm
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Shows with potential like Girls Who Couldn't Become Magicians or Uzumaki turning out disappointing hit someone way harder than a show that's clearly junk from the start. No one's sparing any thoughts to whatever isekai slop we've already all forgotten this season. But shows that started good or had good elements but ultimately failed because of one or more elements are a legit tragedy.
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revolutionotaku
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:30 pm
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Uzumaki wasn't really that bad.
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An Unchosen One
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:52 pm
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revolutionotaku wrote: | Uzumaki wasn't really that bad. |
A lot of people are focusing on how production collapsed for the second episode and never really recovered for the final two, but even if it had kept the visual quality of the first episode, it still wouldn't have been that good an adaptation, as it felt like there was a full volume compressed into 20 minutes each time. That may not have left it as much of a disappointment as it is with the visual implosion, but since there was such a blatant drop in quality, yeah, it really was that bad.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:10 pm
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Altorrin wrote: | Don't agree whatsoever with the idea that an anime can be "morally unconscionable" just because it's about getting rich and doesn't try to teach you anything or have a "moral of the story". Anyway, it took me a while to figure out what the typo "CHI models" meant (it was CGI). |
I will never understand the idea that somebody who earns a billion dollars is committing some moral sin. He earned it because he did something that society values and was rewarded for it. Or that somehow its "intended audience" shares the same opinion when it's just a tiny group that does in all likelihood.
Trillion Game is just good hokey fun. Haru is a great anti-hero like Joe from Halt and Catch Fire, while Gaku is kind of like Gordon. The two play off each other very well and it's a load of fun seeing how Haru BSes his way to the next tranche of cash. It might be the Madhouse B Team and Kirihime's design doesn't scream "princess" to me (too bulky) but reading those critiques makes you wonder if a billionaire ever hurt them in a past life lol.
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power moon
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:13 pm
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ThrowMeOut wrote: | Shows with potential like Girls Who Couldn't Become Magicians or Uzumaki turning out disappointing hit someone way harder than a show that's clearly junk from the start. No one's sparing any thoughts to whatever isekai slop we've already all forgotten this season. But shows that started good or had good elements but ultimately failed because of one or more elements are a legit tragedy. |
See, this is literally what I was talking about earlier. People are literally putting a decent show with some flaws and an actual production disaster in the same group and, in my opinion, that's not fair.
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jmckenna15
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:18 pm
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Wyvern wrote: | Trillion Game was such a disappointment because Inagaki's writing is usually smarter than that. His series usually have a hyper-competent schemer character (Haru in this series, who descends from Hiruma in Eyeshield 21 and Senku in Dr. Stone) but in the past that character type has been likable because behind his bluster he has a noble goal and there are significant consequences if he fails. Trillion Game's Haru is just a bored asshole whose goals benefit no one but himself and his sidekick, and the only consequences for his failure would be "Haru has to get a real job." And the series lets us know right from the very start that they'll succeed and end up as the richest people in Japan, so there's not even any suspense.
It really does feel slimy and gross, but even if it doesn't morally bother you, the total lack of stakes and the failure to give the viewer a reason to root for the hero, just makes the story boring. Why should I care if Haru succeeds? |
I see the shots of the future in Trillion Game a bit differently. While it shows they do succeed in becoming billionaires, we actually only see Gaku and not Haru. So there's more there than meets the eye, and if it gets a full adaptation hopefully we see that.
Stakes wise I think the fact that Haru lands in such wild circumstances, you want to see how he cooks up a way out or a new way to get the money he needs even when there is no straightforward or logical reason he can. That keeps it engaging even when we already know that they will be successful in their question to be billionaires.
It's also not hard to root for the two of them because of how brazen Haru is and how nice Gaku is. It's so wild and crazy that you can't help but enjoy the tide.
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An Unchosen One
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 7:29 pm
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jmckenna15 wrote: | I will never understand the idea that somebody who earns a billion dollars is committing some moral sin. He earned it because he did something that society values and was rewarded for it. Or that somehow its "intended audience" shares the same opinion when it's just a tiny group that does in all likelihood.
Trillion Game is just good hokey fun. Haru is a great anti-hero like Joe from Halt and Catch Fire, while Gaku is kind of like Gordon. The two play off each other very well and it's a load of fun seeing how Haru BSes his way to the next tranche of cash. It might be the Madhouse B Team and Kirihime's design doesn't scream "princess" to me (too bulky) but reading those critiques makes you wonder if a billionaire ever hurt them in a past life lol. |
Have you been under a rock for, like, 20 years or something?
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Key
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 8:15 pm
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A handful of posts were removed for people who weren't behaving (or, in one case, because leaving their post wouldn't make sense without context, since it replied to a removed post). You can disagree with fellow posters, but personal attacks are never acceptable.
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Shay Guy
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 9:07 pm
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jmckenna15 wrote: | I will never understand the idea that somebody who earns a billion dollars |
Just because someone obtains vast wealth doesn't mean they earned it.
And in the case of Trillion Game, the entire setup is "I wanna get really, really rich!" "Doing what?" "I don't know and I don't care." The point isn't to do anything and make a lot of money by doing it, it's just "make wealth flow in this direction". When I dropped the manga, the company had not created a scrap of actual value and still had no plans to do so.
So in Haru's case, I find the label of "earned" more than a bit of a stretch.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 9:40 pm
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I put a disclaimer on this one like I promised last season, and it appears folks are still doing trying to argue the semantic basis for the article's premise.
Quote: | ANN's critic choices are based on loose criteria for "worst;" below are series our writers found wholly disappointing despite initial first impressions, marred by production collapse, tearfully boring, or containing noxious story elements that left them cold. |
The above isn't going to change. Critics can opt out of participating in the worst of the season, so no one is forced to pick something.
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YackDe
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 10:32 pm
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power moon wrote: |
ThrowMeOut wrote: | Shows with potential like Girls Who Couldn't Become Magicians or Uzumaki turning out disappointing hit someone way harder than a show that's clearly junk from the start. No one's sparing any thoughts to whatever isekai slop we've already all forgotten this season. But shows that started good or had good elements but ultimately failed because of one or more elements are a legit tragedy. |
See, this is literally what I was talking about earlier. People are literally putting a decent show with some flaws and an actual production disaster in the same group and, in my opinion, that's not fair. |
I'd say making an utterly forgettable, bland looking mess that can't even manage a proper ending and will only be remembered by one person who is weirdly defensive about it counts as a kind of production disaster. Hoshino Lily certainly didn't go into character design expecting her good designs to be wasted on characters with one character trait that they repeat every time they are on screen.
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power moon
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 10:52 pm
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YackDe wrote: | I'd say making an utterly forgettable, bland looking mess that can't even manage a proper ending and will only be remembered by one person who is weirdly defensive about it counts as a kind of production disaster. Hoshino Lily certainly didn't go into character design expecting her good designs to be wasted on characters with one character trait that they repeat every time they are on screen. |
Geez, we get it, you don't like this show. No need to be so angry about it.
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YackDe
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:53 pm
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power moon wrote: |
YackDe wrote: | I'd say making an utterly forgettable, bland looking mess that can't even manage a proper ending and will only be remembered by one person who is weirdly defensive about it counts as a kind of production disaster. Hoshino Lily certainly didn't go into character design expecting her good designs to be wasted on characters with one character trait that they repeat every time they are on screen. |
Geez, we get it, you don't like this show. No need to be so angry about it. |
Dude you're the one responding to literally anybody who mentions it to moan about how nobody understands and it's a crime that people are voicing their displeasure for it (and that's after people already called you out for your reductive attempts to frame people's issues). Have a degree of self-reflection, please, it's kinda sad.
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yeehaw
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 1:00 am
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I haven't watched Blue Lock but my friend has and she also also has sent me images of the ungodly amouts of merch for this show! They unveiled like 5 new acrylic stand sets every single day!
Maybe instead of drawing illustrations of the principal cast dressed as Vampires, Pirates, the Four Divine Beasts of Chinese mythology, Alice in Wonderland characters and Bakers for what is going to be eventual land filler they could have drawn some in-betweens!
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