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mufurc
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I think that what with the economic crisis and all the prime minister will have far more important things to do than to save the anime/manga industry from the evil anti-lolicons. Also, a politician not signing something that's against any kind of child porn? No way, that's just bad PR. Anyway, while I don't mind fetishes and all (as long as nobody pushes theirs into my face), and I don't mind lolicon either as long as it's fictional, I think lolicon in Japan has pretty much crossed the line from fiction into real life. Liking ecchi and panty-shots and whatnot is one thing. Turning real children into sexual objects, taking flash pictures of schoolgirls' panties and posting them on the Internet, making a 6 year old girl "the idol of Akiba" and buying photobooks where she poses like gravure idols (a 6 year old!), spying on young girls in public toilets, groping them, etc. etc.... there seems to be an extensive group of otaku that don't see any problem with this, which is more than a little disturbing if you ask me. And on the fictional side, I think there's something to be said about people who enjoy manga where young children are violated in various ways, games where the aim is to humiliate girls, etc. For me this also crosses the line between" harmless" and "pretty damn disturbing and potentially dangerous," and I wouldn't mind seeing these things banned. |
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Daemonblue
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It's mentioned in the article that they plan on doing a three year study....but then how would they link the possession of lolicon material to those that commit child abuse (sexual or otherwise)? Think about it, they would have to link having large amounts of such material to people who have commited such acts, so couldn't they then say that having the materials caused them to be more prone to do it, while in fact they were prone to do it before, but just happened to have such materials? What I'm tryin to get at is that they would be doing the same thing that Jack Thompson (who is now barred from bringing up any new cases without a different lawyer, thank goodness) was doing with video games and violence, that being subjected to such stuff makes you more prone to do it. I mean....what kind of video games did Hitler play? How bout Stalin?
In the end the study will probably end up being slanted in some way to show the results that they want shown, as is with most studies that I've encountered. I'm sorry, but as long as no REAL child is getting abused, it should be fine...and those that do abuse real children probably didn't get the idea from watching too much loli anime. On another note, all this reminds me of that case where a 15 year old girl was put on a sexual predator list for having naked pictures of a minor.....that minor being herself....and they didn't see a problem with that? Last edited by Daemonblue on Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:34 am; edited 12 times in total |
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Akukaze
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While that is certainly a legitimate argument, I do not think that it is enough to have it outlawed. Movies like Pineapple Express and Knocked Up (among about a million others) 'promote' illegal drug use, and just about every movie to come out in the past five decades or so has 'promoted' violence and even killing. PG-13 and R movies can get away with that though, because it is assumed that the people who will be viewing them will be mature enough to realize the difference between the 'rules' of the fantasy world present in the movie and reality. Pornography is, by law, prohibited to minors. Adults can look read something like "St. Margareta" (perhaps the most degrading H-mangas I have ever seen) and realize that it is fantasy and that nothing in it is by any means OK in the real world. I believe that under an unbiased, well-done study (which is hopefully the kind of study that will be performed in this case), the facts will be that virtual lollicon does not encourage or contribute to acts of pedophillia. If I'm proved wrong, however, I would certainly support any measures to outlaw it. (Mind you, I'm speaking exclusively of virtual porn. Real child porn needs to burn.) This all almost makes me sad I'm not going after a psychology degree. This would make a fascinating research topic. |
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crilix
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Daimao Raki
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Child porn in any formed should be banned...period.
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minakichan
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To be honest, I'm on the fence on this one. Technically, isn't most hentai child porn (or minor porn at least)? I think there's a difference between diaper rape and 17 year olds getting it on. At the same time, I can't really see any use for diaper rape hentai or how reading it could possibly be a "healthy" outlet for repressed sexual desires.
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Zin5ki
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Most of it isn't. There is a lot of material out there far more disturbing than that which the newspaper report mentions. I steer clear of it, but choose not to judge people on their deviance. |
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turboyoshi
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That argument works both ways. Let people think it's ok to stretch the moral boundaries and they will want to keep stretching it to the next level. Lines have to be drawn somewhere. Personally, I see no social merit to loli porn so it won't bother me to see it banned. I also believe in free expression and such but there has to be some value in it. |
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britannicamoore
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Didn't you hear that everyone that reads/watches anything with drawn little kids fighting, being cute, or trying to do their teacher in it but not actually successfully doing the teacher is obviously going to catch pedo-symptoms from the disc/manga? That's how pedo's breed dontcha kno? |
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Unholy_Nny
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Wtf? ^ Did the person writing this article even read the article they linked to? The term was is more applicable, because said ban was tossed out as unconstitutional. Which is why it's on obscenity charges. Which the current obscenity laws have been around for about 30 years, and for the most part have nothing to do with loli. Fix it. Please. One word is all it takes. Change "is" to "was" so we don't have uninformed people crying about censorship in America. I still think the Iowa article was just a summary of the CBLDF's press release... |
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Warstar77
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they can ban child porn but not virtual anime, manga and games and it gives companies money and they cant do it away and there are a lot of anime fans, manga and gamers in japan and they will not issue virtual ban and because no porn crimes have been made on virtual and please there is no virtual porn ok and besides that cant do it the companies will lose money
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Warstar77
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there our already porn laws and you have to be 18 years or older to watch anykind porn and case closed. that it my friends ok. Besides fans and people are going to oppose virtual ban aways. There will be protest and its real world child porn ban we need to worry about ok and govement wont allow what other people say and that virtual thing is not the answer. We need some thing stop real world porn and it not virtual IF people who do child porn crimes or get rape for exemple. They should got life in prison. But not for virtual child porn ok. There adults who love that ok. They cant take that away and we adults have human rights too ok.
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Bushwack
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The problem is where do you draw the line. Should I turn myself in for owning a copy of Kill Bill? Gunsmith Cats? |
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DarkMirage
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Only real child porn should be illegal, because children are hurt in the process.
Banning drawn child porn is silly. It's so arbitrary. Who is to say what is considered "child porn" when everything is just lines and shading? There isn't a real person whose age you can confirm. And similarly, I guess young-looking women would be banned from making porn because they might be mistaken for underage teenagers? The entire concept and the enforcement thereof is mind boggling and the argument against loli porn is largely founded on raw emotions, not logic. I find loli porn distasteful, but then again I also find gore movies sickening. If we are going to start banning things to discourage people from picking up anti-social behaviour through entertainment, then I say we start with violence and gore, which are multi-billion dollar Hollywood industries that have global impacts far exceeding Japan's loli eromanga niche. I think an age limit, properly enforced, is far enough when it comes to the balance between free speech and morality. If a fully grown adult turn to violence because of GTA4, then he/she is probably not very mentally stable in the first place. The same goes for loli porn. Also, the frequently-brought-up argument that loli porn has no inherent value and therefore is not protected speech is stupid. Free speech doesn't require any value. You can't just start banning things because they have no value and you disagree with them anyway. It totally negates the point of having free speech in the first place. |
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abynormal
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I'm one of those types who can't stand child porn real or drawn. Whether it's a drawing or a photograph, an image is meant to have an effect on the viewer. It makes no difference to me whether or not any children were involved in the creation of it; both are meant to sexualize and objectify children and I wouldn't mind seeing them disappear from the face of the planet.
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