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This Week in Games - Tilting at Windmills Instead of Dragons

While Ken is an "American Ryu" it is theorized he was based on Joe Lewis. Meanwhile, almost everything about the early Terry is based on Loren Avedon especially the movie the King of Kickboxing. I recommend watching it. The more I watched the more I realized how much Fatal Fury was based on a Hollywood movie

I thought the censorship complaints were about outfits being censored and the Type A and B stuff. There's nothing gay in Dragon Quest 3 unless you count the puff-puff scene where a woman tricks you into getting one from a big burly dude instead.

if CERO can let fate/extra ccc out in the wild then am sure dragon quest wouldn't have an issue imo. it's clear this is being done to allow the game in all overseas markets

Niinou also wants to remake Fate/EXTRA CCC. But nothing has been decided. It is quite the lewd game, so he wonders what the best way to go about releasing it nowadays would be.

I was referring to the fact that people are talking about things like companies choosing to alter games personally so they are marketable as a form of censorship. To me it sucks that companies would remove things but I wouldn't call it censorship. I only mentioned gay stuff because that was actually censored legally under the Hays Code in the United States

Bvick00 wrote:

Darkstalker at least got a re-release in the Capcom Fighting Game Collection from 2 years ago. Us Dino Crisis fans on the hand are still stuck in the freaking time portal, just waiting to be released

What? Dino Crisis was announced just a week ago to be released on PS Classics line coming to PS4&PS5, coming before the end of the year. Is a little wait that much of an issue?

First, CCC came out over a decade ago, and what rating boards consider acceptable for a given rating can easily change in that time (for better and/or worse). And it sounds like even the developers don't know how it would go over today.

if CERO can let fate/extra ccc out in the wild then am sure dragon quest wouldn't have an issue imo. it's clear this is being done to allow the game in all overseas markets

tintor2 wrote:

While Ken is an "American Ryu" it is theorized he was based on Joe Lewis. Meanwhile, almost everything about the early Terry is based on Loren Avedon especially the movie the King of Kickboxing. I recommend watching it. The more I watched the more I realized how much Fatal Fury was based on a Hollywood movie

That was a lot of early fighting games, with influence from martial arts movies of the day or kickboxers of the era. The one that immediately comes to mind is Cody from Fatal Fury being based on Benny “The Jet” Urquridez, who to bring things full circle, did the choreography for the Street Fighter movie (although he barely had the time to do anything).

Speaking specifically about LGBTQ and more women-forward statements makes me hopeful about the future of the world, just like whenever I read a sentiment from a Japanese author like "this wouldn't have happened seven years ago" (Pesuyama Poppy's "Until I Love Myself", about societal change around assault accusations). And the joy and in-game focus on Sylvando in DQ11, who I love with all my heart.

(Now let's get more women being mentored to take story leadership roles! Not just saying this because I finally got to experience Shadowbringers this year)

Blanchimont wrote:

Bvick00 wrote: Darkstalker at least got a re-release in the Capcom Fighting Game Collection from 2 years ago. Us Dino Crisis fans on the hand are still stuck in the freaking time portal, just waiting to be released What? Dino Crisis was announced just a week ago to be released on PS Classics line coming to PS4&PS5, coming before the end of the year. Is a little wait that much of an issue?

Oh I wasn't aware of that, that good news for the PlayStation owners then. Xbox, Nintendo and PC gamers (such as myself) are feeling left out though

... So, like, was Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez from The Sandlot named after Urquridez, or was that just a coincidence? Because they have the same nickname and everything. But more to the point, yeah, fighting games had all kinds of references to kung fu movies in those days. Like, the obvious one is Fei Long being a Bruce Lee stand-in and Balrog based off of Mike Tyson, and I mentioned Billy Blanks inspiring Deejay. But the mood for those games was also inspired by classic Hong Kong action films. A villain like Geese Howard wouldn't be out of place in a movie like Undefeatable or YES, MADAM.

DRWii wrote:

First, CCC came out over a decade ago, and what rating boards consider acceptable for a given rating can easily change in that time (for better and/or worse). And it sounds like even the developers don't know how it would go over today.

Kodaka said something similar how he doesn't think he could make Ultra Despair Girls today. Between CERO and the pressure to adhere to western standards it's a lot harder for Japan to make the kind of games it used to do.

Good question. I’m going to assume a coincidence from the same point of getting the nickname from the Elton John song, but Benny had already been doing fight choreography for Hollywood and Hong Kong films when The Sandlot came out, most notably the original Roadhouse and Wheels on Meals.

That’s another thought. I’m surprised we never got a fighting game character meant to be Swayze in Roadhouse.

Self-censorship to lower the rating or market to more territories is still called censorship so I don't have an issue with it.

Fate/Extra CCC has a CERO D rating, which is the equivalent to the ESRB's M-rating. Square Enix doesn't want to limit the audience of the biggest game they're selling to only people within a certain age group, hence the emphasis on keeping the game at the CERO's lowest rating. This is why the Female Warrior's design was also modified for games from twelve years ago that never left Japan in the first place. Not to mention, Fate/Extra CCC was also released a decade ago; CERO has only gotten even stricter since, which is why recent Japanese games like Lollipop Chainsaw Re-POP had to replace the gore with glitter and confetti.

Also: so what if a Japanese studio decides to do something for an American audience? That's how we got Stranger of Paradise and Vanquish. If the argument is that these people were "somehow" strongarmed into "changing" things, the claim is laughable. Consultants don't have anywhere near the leverage needed to pull that kind of thing off against a major corporation like Square Enix. This is why conspiracy theories are so dumb: they require someone being so influential as to be unstoppable in their plots, but dumb enough and obvious enough for people to somehow "connect the dots". Jog on.

So yes, people on each side of the culture war are going to express their views. That is all that is happening. And the people who do the "enough with 'bothsidesism'" stuff ... are just people who claim that their position is right and the other side's position is illegitimate and is not worthy of consideration.

DQ7 being a good example, as a big part of Maribel's story is that she's a "tomboy" archtype and her lack of liking anything lady-like is driving her parents insane.

Then Kiefer as the king's son & heir, is causing worries that his succession to the throne is going to be messed up because he's an "unreliable son".

FishLion wrote:

Self-censorship to lower the rating or market to more territories is still called censorship so I don't have an issue with it.

The company still made that decision, they had a choice. Uncensored versions and censorship are not the same type of censoring at all, I don't think a word should draw an equivalence between internal decisions and enforced rules.

FishLion wrote:

RickyTheRat wrote: FishLion wrote: Self-censorship to lower the rating or market to more territories is still called censorship so I don't have an issue with it. The company still made that decision, they had a choice. Uncensored versions and censorship are not the same type of censoring at all, I don't think a word should draw an equivalence between internal decisions and enforced rules. Censorship is still censorship nonetheless, whether it be government enforced or self imposed by private institutions.