Forum - View topicINTEREST: WIRED: Good Smile Company Invested US$2.4 Million in 4chan
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ximpalullaorg
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The paper you posted is an analysis on the trends and words inside /pol of 4chan and similar boards (which then is extrapolated to... questionable conclusions)! Where is the link to violent activity using statistical data, confidence intervals etc?
The second article, again, doesn't prove anything. "Empirical data". It's written right in the abstract. Also, it has nothing to prove the conclusion writing on a forum > violent acts. If you're trolling, you're wasting your time. For me, any company in the world could back 4chan and I wouldn't care. I'm not the moral police of the world. I have zero interest in being in the "right side of history". |
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CatSword
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4chan is a massive place. There are a few boards that are known for their extremity, but would you rather it was somewhere more public? You're not going to get rid of it, that's not an option.
As we're currently dealing with our own government's xenophobic reaction to TikTok and the number of people who happily brush it off because "TikTok sucks anyway", I would appreciate it if we didn't attack anything that wasn't a PG American data harvesting zone. |
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Fedora-san
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It's always a bit weird seeing people act like it's still 2006 and 4chan is some obscure underground message board being hosted out of a college students dorm room rather than one of the most active internet communities out there that dwarf a lot of the "mainstream" websites in terms of traffic and amount of users. I get that politicians and newscasters might be out of touch due to their age, but it's always weird to see younger, more internet savvy people fall into that trap. Although I suppose some of them may be intentionally misconstruing things for the sake of argument. |
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Vanadise
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It's odd that this is a fairly common defense of allowing unmitigated extremism, when multiple experts have studied it at found that deplatforming radicals works. No, you can't completely eliminate them, but reducing their ability to congregate and recruit has a significant effect; asserting "you can't completely eliminate them, so you shouldn't even try" is either disingenuous or misinformed. |
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ximpalullaorg
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And then one day an "expert" will say ANN should be deplatformed because it's against "morals". Can't you see the risk? Again, open debate and discussion. Not deplatforming. The risk of getting caught in the aftermath is too strong. As absurd as it is, to keep our freedom we need to keep the right to hate. |
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Sandstar
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"I'm not affected by their hatemongering, so let them be hatemongers, least my not really at all plausible scenario come to fruition." Such privilege. |
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ANN_Lynzee
ANN Executive Editor
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The statistics you (ximpalullaorg) keep demanding do not exist.
The slippery slope argument is also a fallacy, and you have about as much proof that banning 4chan = banning ANN as any of the arguments you're demanding empirical data about. You've soapboxed long enough in here. |
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CatSword
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You can't really congregate and recruit people on 4chan. Everyone is anonymous, unless you exchange contact details in the thread (which most people are hesitant to do because it's public, also because most conversations on 4chan don't go so swimmingly you want to keep in touch). The counterargument to this, of course, could be that a group of 4channers managed to get together and make a whole visual novel (Katawa Shoujo), but that was brought on by persistent general thread-making and creative passion. I've never seen anyone on /pol/ or anywhere else organize in the same sense. There are worse, smaller imageboards that encourage raiding; of course, like KF, everyone wants to feel like they've solved everything by catching the "big fish." |
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Slips Python
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It's really easy to tell who's ever actually been to 4chan and who only knows about it from sensationalist news articles and outrage pundits. 4chan has pretty strict mods, actually. Feel free to go to /a/ and start spamming racial slurs and see how long until you get banned, let alone post actually illegal stuff and time how long it takes for the FBI to show up at your door after they report your IP to the authorities. The notion they don't take down actually illegal content is pretty absurd. If they didn't, they'd get in trouble. They abide by all the standard laws and regulations that are required of them as an online platform just like anyone else. That's why the New York attorney general’s investigation was a nothingburger. For the record, said investigation also targeted platforms like Twitch and Discord in related to the Buffalo shooting as well and all those went nowhere as well. Almost like the entire investigation was pointless busywork to just make it appear they're dealing with an issue when they're actually not. |
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Zalis116
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I always knew it wasn't a coincidence that the "don't pay for streaming sites that divert money away from Japan and push political agendas, buy merchandise instead!" crowd was all cut from the same right-wing ideological cloth. I guess the "anime should be apolitical" maxim doesn't apply to politics that they agree with!
For whatever their content moderation may allegedly be now, it's indisputable that 4chan (along with fellow-traveler sites like encyclopediadramatica and sankakucomplex) have been at the juncture, if not the origin, of many of the most toxic and dangerous phenomena of the last 15 years, including Gamergate, Trumpism, the Alt-Right, QAnon, Troll Nation, incels, race-war/"boogaloo" accelerationism, and the misogyny/homophobia/transphobia-to-fascism pipeline. Not to mention, they rage against Cuties on Netflix and throw "groomer" slurs at the LGBTQ community, while celebrating and distributing both 2D/lolicon content and actual child pornography. |
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tuturuu
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Only 8 years late with this tidbit.
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onpufan
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Less Disney/Marvel/Star Wars Nendoroids and figma taking up development time and shelf space would be a net positive overall for anime fans if this is true. Let them be stuck with Funko Pops and Yootooz if they can't accept Japanese standards and business practices.
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