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Arale Kurashiki
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Video games (or anything else, but because the player kills in games, I'll talk about that) where people get killed usually have some kind of story behind why it's happening. Even when the reason behind it is simple, there's hardly ever a glorification of real-world violence. And violence is something that's hammered into us as wrong growing up. So it's very much a different thing. When it comes to porn, though, the only point of the work is sexual appeal. And pedophilia is something people often don't talk about, so it's much easier to subconsciously see it as not a big deal. Murder's terrible too, but we hear a lot more about murder than rape because, as horrible as it sounds when put this way, murder is a more socially acceptable topic. So it's considered "obviously wrong" in anyone's minds, while the things that people aren't willing to acknowledge or point out are in a more controversial area. You'd be surprised how totally warped somebody's logic can get without exposure to criticism or alternative ideals. I'm not a psychologist though, so I can't go as in-depth on this as somebody else could. |
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amagee
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This tickles the hell out of me. My friends are going to eat this up.
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Dark Mac
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This Twitter post is obviously not entirely serious. There's plenty of stuff, even in LO, with girls who look younger than 9. Though it's probably also correct, or Enjeru/Angel (Toddlercon magazine) would still be going strong.
These comments are a bit sad. It's weird how similar anti-lolicon and anti-violent video game rhetoric are. |
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Arale Kurashiki
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anti-violent video game rhetoric hasn't been a prominent thing in over a decade. playing an action/reflex exercise with violence in it is totally different than idolizing the idea of having sex with people who are too young to consent. |
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littlegreenwolf
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That's all well in good, but instead of just labeling everything off as porn, and just writing off hentai as wank material, keep in mind that these are comics. People don't read hentai just to wank off. I find a ton of hentai extremely funny, some outright touching, or some that are just are labeled hentai because they feature sex scenes in an otherwise great story. Am I a sexual deviant about to go wreck havok and rape some poor shouta because I read a weird manga chapter involving one? Hell no, I'm just some late 20s girl happily in a healthy relationship with extremely vanilla sex who REALLY like comics, erotic or not, and there are some really amazing artists in hentai. And then there are the ones exaggerating the female anatomy so badly I can't stop laughing. |
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Arale Kurashiki
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Well, yes, especially in manga there are a lot of porn-y works that still have other qualities. You're right about that. I'm talking more about people who are expressly interested in lolicon for the children and who try to defend their enjoyment of that as harmless.
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Kai99
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Toddlercon? Toddlercon!!!? That was actually real! Good lord, get me off this planet. |
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mangamuscle
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I am not a lolicon (click if you really want to know what fetish interests me), but I cannot think of the drawings in the magazines the article mentions as anything but harmless (unless real kids were used to produce scenes of children abuse, which in Japan would be quite difficult afaik). I can understand that you personally are disgusted by these kind of fiction (and probably are also of what you saw if you clicked on the link I provided), but that does not change the fact that you are rationalizing your attack upon something that you dislike and your acceptance of something similar upon shoddy logic ("[videogames] usually have some kind of story"). I still maintain that porn prevents crimes, as would be pedophiles can sublimate their instincts with the help of said magazines just as well as your average sex offender can with an average porn mag. At least I hear more about people who attack children (and are processed by the legal system) in countries where it is not easy to obtain this kind of magazines (which afaik can be bought in japan in average convenience stores). |
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Chiibi
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Lol.....as an artist, I am also morbidly curious on how you would draw an 8-year-old differently from a 9-year-old!
I agree. :/ Games absolutely glorify killing....and there are so many without a story or reason to do it. |
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Arale Kurashiki
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so because i dont like pedophilia i wouldnt like muscle girls? i have much much weirder fetishes than that lol. anyway again im not a psychologist, and i don't have the resources on hand, but there have been circumstances in which the culture built up by these works has harmed people. understand i'm not advocating for every single character under 18 to be bundled up in a winter jacket permanently or anything, just that people shouldn't intentionally produce material that glorifies life-ruining crime. remember that Japan is a different cultural environment than the US and pedophilia is more rampant there than here. |
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AnimeLordLuis
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Rensie
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Seems an article made by some haters that want to bash something they don't like, since this tweet is a non relevant new at all.
Sad to see some white knights immediately jump in and raise their arms for these futile things, art is absolute and should always be protected, even what we don't like, because everyone has the rights to choose what to read or not, what to draw or not, what to play or not. On a personal note i read lot of scanlated eroge (and sometimes chapters from comic Lo too) along with regular manga, nothing wrong, never considered drawing human beings in the first place and never blame or hate anyone who like this media or certain games. |
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Guile
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I was hoping this would be an article about the artistic quality standards of a hentai magazine since Comic Lo has some amazing art in it, but it seems like a joke tweet to me. But im not an artist, so maybe a true artist can distinct a 8 year old from a 7 and 9 year old.
In the west they generally try to downplay it, but in Japan it's definitely a recurring thing. Lolicon is mentioned and joked about in a lot of mainstream anime like Detective Conan. One episode's plot had Haibara thinking Conan was keeping her from meeting Shuichi because he was a lolicon and Conan just kept facepalming. One of Doraemon's recurring jokes is Shizuka being exposed when she takes a bath or gets her clothes ripped off in public. In the doujinshi community it's definitely big though. Comiket is the biggest convention in the world, and one of the most popular things to sell there are doujinshi. One of the most popular topics for doujinshi is Pretty Cure, which all involved underage girls. You're not going to see people in Japan shouting "Boy, I sure do love mastrubating to little kids", but lolicon and shotacon aren't exactly hidden away and never discussed either. People just keep to themselves and let other people live however they want usually.
This kind of argument comes around when people comment on a double standard of sexuality VS violence in western culture, but it only applies to certain kinds of video game violence. Most of the kind that are famous, like Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto, have no point to the violence. There's no story point to going around the city murdering innocent pedestrians in GTA, or in multi-player games like CoD where you just kill the other team in a bloodbath just to get points. In games where you stop a bad guy from destroying the world and have to kill him it might make more sense, but most of the most popular game series focus on pointless and glorified violence. There's no justification for driving around running people over in cars because you're bored. In Japan and other eastern cultures it's actually the opposite. The human body is more accepted and gratuitous violence is what's looked down upon. Seeing a woman topless isn't as big deal as seeing someone getting their body cut open and organs being splattered everywhere. A lot of western video games get censored for their violence because they take it more extreme than Japanese games do. Where as in west it's usually women in revealing outfits and nudity that get censored. We're on the opposite sides of the fence. |
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XerneasYveltal
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Pedophiles can't stop fantasizing.
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