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relentlessflame
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:02 pm
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| configspace wrote: | | Just to remind people. It's NOT the nudity people are assuming that the bill is concerned about, it's the subject matter
Again, if it portrays something like a casual acceptance of incest, or actual sexual relationships between high school students, THEN it gets the ban hammer (yes the effect is nearly the same since it's removed then must be republished differently which most publishers have not done, e.g. Aki Sora and a few others)
Recall that Oku-sama wa Shōgakusei, non-graphic, non-explicit gag manga got affected |
I think this is a key point. Their standard for "corrupting morals" seems to be that it seems to adovocate/promote behaviour that is illegal/immoral. To Love-Ru is full of sexy situations (almost all either delusions or caused by accidents), but I don't think someone could say that it's encouraging people to act in a certain way to cause these situations (I don't think you could get this to happen even if you tried; it's clearly fantastical and over-the-top). Likewise, Yosuga no Sora includes a depiction of an incestual relationship, but it's not really glorifying it -- the immorality of the situation and trouble that results are serious themes of the work. The council seems to be making a sort of distinction about "kids might read this work and be encouraged to follow its example". I don't think that's all that much better (it's still terribly vague), but at least they seem to be demonstrated a certain sort of consistency.
So yeah, it's not really about "I wouldn't want my kids to see this!", but more about "we don't want material that encourages kids to behave in immoral ways". The line is fuzzy, but I can sort of see the distinction they're trying to make.
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configspace
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:11 pm
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Yeah, I would also bet that bill 156 would affect any manga that say, portrays people under 20 drinking or smoking, like for example not as something "bad" or illegal, but as something "ok" or acceptable, as it is in several countries; or likewise I bet the bill would affect any manga advocating drug legalization; likewise for prostitution, etc
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enurtsol
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:23 pm
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TLR should sport a Tokyo Seal of Approval on its cover! 
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CrownKlown
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:29 pm
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Nana/Momo are at most 13/14ish when first introduced, mikan is the same way, and Golden Darkness I think is an undisputed character targeting the loli crowd. She is what 20 or 30 but looks like a little kid, that is pretty much the definition of loli.
And the Mikan Rito thing is borderline incest at times, but the seem to be hazy with what regarding incest crosses the line, so who knows.
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relentlessflame
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:33 pm
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| configspace wrote: | | Yeah, I would also bet that bill 156 would affect any manga that say, portrays people under 20 drinking or smoking, like for example not as something "bad" or illegal, but as something "ok" or acceptable, as it is in several countries; or likewise I bet the bill would affect any manga advocating drug legalization; likewise for prostitution, etc |
And as was discussed at the time, in a way that's a lot more sinister, because it's in effect telling artists not to publish any works accessible to children that challenge the government's view of moral norms, regardless of whether the work is tasteful, thoughtful, well-considered, or artistic. If it's just about "filth" (as many such laws are), that's actually easier; here you could say that it's more about controlling/directing thought. The concern seems to be that children may grow up to have beliefs that go against their own. But this is rather consistent with the age divide in Japan, and the seemingly-common view that youth are corrupt because they don't conform to traditional Japanese moral values. Tough times ahead...
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Mohawk52
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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Location: England, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:02 pm
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| relentlessflame wrote: | | The concern seems to be that children may grow up to have beliefs that go against their own. But this is rather consistent with the age divide in Japan, and the seemingly-common view that youth are corrupt because they don't conform to traditional Japanese moral values. Tough times ahead... |
The question is; are they really traditional, or modern by outside imposition? Modern by the sense of the last 67 years. This is looking more and more like a political act to appease the noise from the Moral Majority, with little, or no teeth to really cause a wound to one of the few GDPs that is still being purchased, and still make them look good at the next round of elections. BTW when is the next round of elections anyway?
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:55 pm
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| Chagen46 wrote: | | And this is why hiding your porno is a good idea. |
a 32bit encrypt on a usbtumb stick should do the trick
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Ryu Shoji
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:23 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| Ryu Shoji wrote: | | I'll be honest, I have been tempted to import the To Love Ru and To Love Ru Darkness manga volumes from Japan due to the lack of a localised release, but I have often thought about whether I'll be convicted of trying to smuggle in child porn or something.
I remember being rather curious about how the new legislation would have affected the series, which iirc, had only recently started when the revision came into effect. Glad to see that it was found to not be going against that. |
To assume that what passes in Japan will automatically pass in the UK could be hazardous to your freedom from incarceration.  |
Which is exactly my concern. I like the series, but more importantly, I really like Kentaro Yabuki's art style. I do want to support To Love Ru, but as others have said, Viz Media wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. However, on the flip side I don't want The Daily Mail to brand me a paedophile either.
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| Ryu Shoji wrote: | | I'll be honest, I have been tempted to import the To Love Ru and To Love Ru Darkness manga volumes from Japan due to the lack of a localised release, but I have often thought about whether I'll be convicted of trying to smuggle in child porn or something. |
If it genuinely worries you, you can probably buy it in person at The Japan Centre in London. I got a few volumes of the original from there. Not that I believe you'd have any difficulties with getting it through customs. |
Where abouts in London is the Japan Centre again?
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Anymouse
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:41 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| relentlessflame wrote: | | The concern seems to be that children may grow up to have beliefs that go against their own. But this is rather consistent with the age divide in Japan, and the seemingly-common view that youth are corrupt because they don't conform to traditional Japanese moral values. Tough times ahead... |
The question is; are they really traditional, or modern by outside imposition? Modern by the sense of the last 67 years. This is looking more and more like a political act to appease the noise from the Moral Majority, with little, or no teeth to really cause a wound to one of the few GDPs that is still being purchased, and still make them look good at the next round of elections. BTW when is the next round of elections anyway? |
Excellent point.
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Thatguy3331
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:49 pm
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This totally made my day.
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animefan425
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:34 pm
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| Vaisaga wrote: | | Holy crap. If there was to be any manga to be targeted by that law it should be To Love Ru Darkness, but now that they've actually looked at it they're giving it a pass? If Darkness can get away with it no other title needs to be worried about its content. |
As far as I remember, the law the way it has been interpreted has been used mainly against incest manga. That's why Aki-sora was banned (they believe Aki-sora depicted incest in a positive manner) and why they reviewed Yosuga no Sora (Yosuga no Sora was not banned because they believe it doesn't depict incest in a positive manner) so To Love Ru Darkness shouldn't actually have been brought to discussion, and the only reason why it was mentioned it's because of the parent's complain.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:40 pm
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| animefan425 wrote: |
| Vaisaga wrote: | | Holy crap. If there was to be any manga to be targeted by that law it should be To Love Ru Darkness, but now that they've actually looked at it they're giving it a pass? If Darkness can get away with it no other title needs to be worried about its content. |
As far as I remember, the law the way it has been interpreted has been used mainly against incest manga. That's why Aki-sora was banned (they believe Aki-sora depicted incest in a positive manner) and why they reviewed Yosuga no Sora (Yosuga no Sora was not banned because they believe it doesn't depict incest in a positive manner) so To Love Ru Darkness shouldn't actually have been brought to discussion, and the only reason why it was mentioned it's because of the parent's complain. |
Hmm yeah mean the guy is molested by is older sister then his twin sister because the girl his sister likes happens likes MC or the brother  . YnS was only overlooked because the two twins die in the end.
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Dark Absol
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:42 pm
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| Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote: | Hmm yeah mean the guy is molested by is older sister then his twin sister because the girl his sister likes, likes her brother . YnS was only overlooked because the two twins die in the end. |
Uh, no. They didn't die, as far as I can tell in the manga and anime. They only moved away (or to be accurate, ran away) from the town.
As for this topic...
Kentaro Yabuki is officially my hero. 
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DTJB
Joined: 20 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:34 am
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So...has this group actually accomplished anything yet? Don't have the guts to back up their own words?
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tuxedocat
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:47 am
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| Past wrote: | Right now Governor Ishihara is screaming, "You bumbling buffoons, this isn't what I wanted!" |
Nah. He got what he wanted. Re-elected.
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