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Blanchimont
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What I wonder is what Kadokawa hopes to achieve bringing this whole mess? It's not like they're switching the director of your generic harem anime #7 for the second season, more like if they asked Miyazaki to step aside for Castle in the Sky after him directing Nausicaa a few years earlier. Wonder how that would have turned out... |
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Kougeru
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That's honestly just a theory. FACTS a provable. Can you prove, 100%, that that's their motives? Again, I'm not saying I don't believe you to be wrong, I just don't see it was a concrete fact. I thought they already had full control over it to begin with. I'm not even sure if he made it "gold" in the first place....it might've ended up that way with a different director. The existence of the anime itself might've been enough for it to be popular. It wasn't really a good anime by any means. |
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Chrono1000
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WANNFH
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Nothing - they didn't even think about THAT level of fans rage in the first place, when they're making all of it. |
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ximpalullaorg
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Exactly. There are also notable cases in which project crashed and burnt due to this and feuds inside the committees (recent example: Shingeki no Bahamut Manaria Friends which got cancelled a month before airing), the difference is that they didn't gain the same popularity as KF. The real reasons may be never known, but it's telling when the PR by Kadokawa manages to "enrage" the sponsors which rertort saying the company is lying (in a polite way). Also if you check the VA stream, while I can't say they were "forced" it's clear how they're feeling when they're talking. |
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Moroboshi-san
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Miyazaki has always been very good at twisting IP-holders arm and getting his vision through but still keeping them at his side (sometimes barely though). Basic skill for any anime director. Of course in this particular case the fact that both were based on Miyazaki own stories made the twisting probably much easier.
Of course. Nothing new here and any anime director should understand that. I believe the current situation is mostly because of Tatsuki inexperience in the business. He should learn fast. |
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aereus
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What you have to understand is the franchise was dying when given to Tatsuki. That's the whole reason he was given full creative control for season one. It was also his idea to make it all ages and educational despite the latenight time slot. He turned lead into gold on a franchise that was winding down to close after the anime.
It then became a runaway hit based on Tatsukis setting and approach. Now they wanted to reboot the franchise and force Tatsuki to give up creative control and merely animate what they wanted how they wanted it. Predictably the fandom has revolted becausd they're invested in Tatsukis vision of the franchise not just KF in general. Kadokawa killed the golden goose for petty reasons even if it was within their rights as IP owners, it was the totally wrong thing to do financially. They've poisoned most of their customers against them now. |
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relyat08
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I was pretty curious about that. That helps clarify a lot, actually. I could understand Kadokawa's stance more if they truly didn't approve this stuff, as well as that of Nissin and JRA, but if they gave the go ahead, that just makes Kadokawa look even worse. |
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encrypted12345
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One thing I feel like pointing out is that I don't think many people hurt by this incident have the guts to boycott Kadokawa outright. They hold the IP for many beloved franchises among the anime, manga, and light novel mediums. (I'll mention Index since that is getting a season 3 soon, but they have way more than that.) I don't think enough people are resentful enough that they want those IPs to go down with it. That said, if I am proven wrong, I'd be impressed by the overpowering power of the consumer. Amusingly, wikipedia says that Kadokawa's president and CEO is Satan. That clearly explains everything. http://archive.fo/1iWIB |
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aereus
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I meant KF specifically. They lost way more than they could have potentially gained by this stunt.
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rinrinsama
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this is resumed, what happens until now, also a supposed kadokawa insider leaks in futaba that the reason of the dismiss was a diference between Yaoyorozu and kadokawa about the S2 and kadokawa, as IP holder, kick out Yaoyorozu of the project, this drag out tatsuki and several VAs. of course, this cannot be probed |
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encrypted12345
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True. Kemono Friends ended as explosively as it started. It's poetic really. Any money lost just feels like a slap to the wrist on a company as huge as Kadokawa, but we'll see. I don't think they'll learn anything from this incident. |
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WANNFH
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A) Kadokawa got control over the IP, but not the control over the series - they gave it to Tatsuki from the beginning: it was clearly stated by Yoshizaki Mine's tweet, dated by April. Yoshizaki, by the way, working with Kadokawa. B) Kadokawa statement about Yaoyorozu created the works "without contacting or sharing information through the appropriate channels" is the cover-up for the real reasons, and their statement about it is a lie - this was refuted by JRA and Nissin. C) Kadokawa statement about that they can't communicate with the studio past August and the studio withdrew, is also the cover-up lie - the collab between Yaoyorozu and Nissin was done in September, and because of the previous stated claim of Nissin that Kadokawa know all about it, it's clearly to say who is lying right there.
Well, you can't claim that as fact, because we got only one guy who made sleeper hit despite being 3DCGI, with the rock bottom budget, lack of staff, novice team of voice actors and all other against the probabilities things - and he wasn't just the director, he was also the main script writer of the TV series, and got the all jobs on it from doing the character models, to making storyboards and opening. Yeah, basically half of the work... and they kicked not just him, but all of the studio that made anime successful.
Eh... You aren't know about it much, do you? The existence of series doesn't make anything to franchise, because it's already dead on this point - the game was closed before the broadcast because it had poorly recognition even with the collabs, and the manga serialization was also on the ending point when anime started. It's was just the anime content by itself did all of this success, to the point that it completely revived the franchise. And yeah, claiming that the anime "wasn't very good" is your own opinion, that you can say... but the guys who's now fighting for the director and making really BIG uproar about his removal (all of events about this go to worldwide Twitter trends, and even japanese media and TV all talking about this scandal for two days) doesn't think the series "wasn't very good". And the japanese fans aren't even care that much about staff change from any series - so when it comes to the level of national level uproar about the removal of just one man, this all is the big, big evidence of the series popularity in the first place. |
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encrypted12345
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As further proof of this, compare the Japanese reaction of Kemono Friends changing directors and studio compared to One Punch Man changing directors and studio. No one cares about the latter at all, compared to the former at least. |
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Pierrot.
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All of these unfortunate events happening with KF, makes me glad about how Osomatsu-san is being handled.
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