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Aaron White
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If, when I die, anyone chooses to express grief (whether the real grief of people who knew and loved me or the showy, playacting faux-grief of people who didn't know me) with a sad-face emoticon, I vow to return from the grave and eat his/her brains.
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darkinusgurl
Posts: 23 Location: I live in Florida City,Florida |
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could this happen?!?! I am soooooooooo sorry for the family.
 This is the most disturbing thing to hear. I hope that the asshoe who murdered them gets his sorry ass molested,tortured,burned,electrocuted,hanged,his head chopped off, and sent to [expletive] hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He deserves to SUFFER!!!!!!!!!!!!! R.I.P. hope you two are in a better place where you're not suffering.
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Shiki MSHTS
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Amen. =P Defintly though. Some of the replies to this are beginning to look borderline ridiculious. It is a sad thing that someone indeed died. I'm not saying for anyone to harden their hearts and purge themselves of any sympathy or anything. However, some of you people are taking it on way too much of a false personal level, as if you were acctually a really close friend. That is not the case with at least 99% of you. Just because he was someone who had a liking to anime does not make any of you his best buddy. Sympathy and condolences are fine. Saying them falsely as if you were on equal footing with close family and friends is not. And also people, stop registering just to post in this thread how much you want the murderer to die and burn in hell. Hate does not make hate right. Esepcially if you don't have any real linking to the actual event. |
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Anthony Clifton
Posts: 9 Location: Des Moines, Iowa |
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I have a question, Shiki. Are you psychic? Do you have some amazing ability to discern the thoughts and feelings of others? Even those thoughts and feelings of which others may not, themselves, be aware? Because, unless the answer is yes and you can prove it, then what you're saying is really pretty arrogant. Who are you to tell people how they feel? Who are you to tell people what is and is not appropriate for them to feel and say? And what difference does it make to you anyway? What do you care what people say and feel in this thread? Do you get brownie points for acting as Emotion Enforcement? If someone wants to express sadness or anger, whatever your estimation of it's sincerity, what's it to you? So to those of you who feel it necessary to tell everyone how their feelings and expressions of those feelings are false etc, how about you just leave people alone? 
As for the family, I highly doubt that a few dozen people saying they feel badly and want the murderer to pay is going to cause Simon's parents any more grief than the loss of their children. I'm sure it'd make them feel a lot better than a few people who have some bizarre compulsion to go around saying, "You didn't know them. Nothing to see here. Move along." 
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Anthony Clifton
Posts: 9 Location: Des Moines, Iowa |
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(After posting that last message, I'm starting to wish that the mods would delete all the off-topic posts from this thread. Including mine. Leaving only the expressions of sadness and anger.)
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Aaron White
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http://www.civitas.org.uk/hwu/prcs34.php That's: http://www.civitas.org.uk/hwu/prcs34.php |
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Aaron White
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BTW, I for one am not denouncing statements of sorrow that such a rotten thing has happened. Plenty of folks have made simple statements of regret that I think are absolutely appropriate, and the idea of a charity auction may be worth pursuing, depending on the family's needs-of course a kind note may be even better.
And many people on the board are quite young, and I don't think they should be held to the same standards to which I'd hold an adult-but there are many adults who indulge in hammy displays of unearned emotion, and that just cheapens real emotion. How would you feel if someone close to you died, and some total stranger crashed the funeral, weeping and wailing, just to show out? And I don't even want to address the revenge fantasies. Please. |
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Anthony Clifton
Posts: 9 Location: Des Moines, Iowa |
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From the article: Patrick West attributes these hollow expressions of public caring to the decline of those institutions which formerly provided a framework for and gave a sense of meaning to people's lives: the family, the church, the nation and the neighbourhood... Really? That's a bit of a leap isn't it? Especially, given that correlation does not equal causation. So the world has gone wrong because of people who put ribbons on their cars? Of course. I'm sure it has nothing to do with greedy corporations, dishonest politicians, abusive clergy and the general discomfort with growing urbanization of cultures both east and west. Perhaps expressions of grief and anger seem so hollow because 'the decline of...institutions' has left the public with so few other, legal ways to respond to tragedy and suffering. (Example: I could given the homeless some food instead of wearing an anti-homeless ribbon but, of course, I'll need a permit for that and I can only get the permit if I'm an established non-profit organization or part of a 'faith-based initiative.' Oops! So, it's back to buying a ribbon and hoping the money goes to an appropriate non-profit and actually gets used by them. Oh well.) In either case, the article is a classic "blame the victim" strategy. It's an opinion piece with a poorly hidden malign agenda which the author assumes readers will be too gullible to notice. |
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IvoryBirch
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This reminds me of a statement I made while a freshman. While talking to my friends during a study hall, I brought up my sentiment that, should I die, I would hope for no one to attend my funeral because it would just be a bunch of people pretending to be sad. I also addressed that there was no reason to cry for me, as I really have no hostile feelings toward death (contrarily, I almost pity death, with so many people despising him). Anyhow, one of the listeners relayed my speech to the school counselor, who thereafter phoned my parents. They got really upset and thought that I was suicidal or something. |
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Aaron White
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Mr. Clifton's post is such a mare's nest of silly assertions that I'll need some free time to sufficiently parse and debunk it, if the thread hasn't been locked by then. Maybe later tonight.
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Anthony Clifton
Posts: 9 Location: Des Moines, Iowa |
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I posted a thought of giving to CBLDF in Simon's name but it seems too peripheral. He wasn't murdered because of legal attacks on comic books, after all. Hmmm...while typing this I had an idea. The point I suppose I've been trying to make is that what's important is to let people know that, when someone is murdered...no matter who they are, it's important to others. If I were an anime lover (and I am!) and someone asked me how I'd like to be remembered in that capacity, I think it'd be cool if someone put "In Memory of Anthony Clifton - 1968 to 20xx" on something anime or manga related. A webcomic or a DVD release. Hmmmm....
I don't think anyone here is trying to 'show out,' even the people expressing revenge fantasies. It's not like it's "Express your rage - get a Free Ryo-oh-ki plushie" day at ANN. People are just trying to tell how they feel. It's nobody else's place to sit in judgment of their sincerity.
Revenge fantasies are healthy catharsis. And no more harmful than any other expression of emotion. Personally, I'm against revenge. Obviously, the murderer was deeply troubled, either temporarily or permanently. Hurting and killing him won't bring Simon or Sharon back. And eye for an eye and the whole world is blind. I would like to believe that even the worst criminal has a spark of goodness somewhere inside, which I'd rather try to ignite into a lasting flame of self-change than to extinguish in a fit of anger. But I think this whole debate comes down to this question: Are you Sasami or are you Ryoko? Both are good and both find each other sort of equally annoying. (Yes yes Ryoko isn't 'good' good but she's still basically good...sort of chaotic good instead of lawful good.) But each has their own means and motives for dealing with events. And those means and motives could be considered mutually exclusive. But, when they join together for a common purpose and ignore their annoyance for one another, they can accomplish amazing things. After all, there is a reason that Ryo-oh-ki has loyalties to both of them. |
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mufurc
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Still... what's it to you? |
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yaoi gurl00
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I am sorry.My condulenses.
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Mohawk52
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I don't know if it was in the US news but just Yesterday (24/ May/ 05) there was a school bus crash in southern Ireland that killed 5 teenage girls who were on their way back home. Today Irish prime minister Bertie Ahern has led expressions of sympathy in the Dail parliament to the families of the five schoolgirls killed in the bus crash in Kentstown, County Meath. But according to Mr. West, Mr Ahern was just wasting the Dail's time.
Last edited by Mohawk52 on Tue May 24, 2005 3:30 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Aaron White
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Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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[quote="Mohawk52"]In other words, you have to think about it. :wink:
I actually know basically what needs to be said, but I don't have time to write it all out just now. |
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