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Big Hero 6, 'Feast' Win Animated Oscars


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Animeking1108



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:32 am Reply with quote
I'm just going to say it: HTTYD 2 was overrated. The villain was more generic than stale coffee, the advertisements spoiling the reveal about Hiccup's mother ruined the surprise, and they practically spelled it out for you that spoiler[Stoick was going to die]. "Hey, Hiccup, I'm going to talk to you about leading the village." Just paint a target on his head and be done with it.
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:02 pm Reply with quote
EricJ2 wrote:
Wait, I thought Spielberg created Dreamworks, because Katz was going around bragging up Lion King as his idea, and Spielberg wanted to buy one of his very, very own. (He'd already beaten the Don Bluth imitations into the ground after Secret of NIMH, but those weren't working out.)
Only he wanted his Lion King to be a really, really Jewish one, which is how we got Prince of Egypt for their first film.


Well, Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Giffen founded Dreamworks together, hence the "SKG" part of the logo. To my knowledge, Spielberg and Giffen wanted to make movies the normal way for normal reasons, but Katzenberg got furious that he was passed up for promotion when working at Disney and jumped on board the chance to become Disney's biggest enemy.
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Well, I have just recently watched The Tale of Princess Kaguya and I have to say, I do like it better than The Wind Rises and the art is undeniably beautiful to look at but if I had to be honest, since I am not a huge arthouse fan and how very long the movie felt, I really have no interest in seeing it again anytime soon.

Another thing I would like to point out is that just like any other pieces of art, film is completely subjective. What works for one person may not work for another and also, just because something is highly rated doesn't mean it is necessarily better and something that is rated lower doesn't necessarily mean that it is weaker. It all works in various different ways.

For those who keep on linking me to that site that everyone keeps bringing up as a way to discredit the Oscars, one has to remember that in that report, it is only a small sample of 7 out of 6000 members so there could be more who do did take animation a lot more seriously and did see all of the nominated films and did make a good majority vote but really, these are all just assumptions. We truthfully can't really determine if everyone is like the people mentioned in the sample.

But, to also be fair with everyone else around here, I also agree that they should take animation much more seriously and judge each film on their own merits to see which is much more satisfying to them and if the majority of the Academy members think that Big Hero 6 is better than the other 4 candidates, that's fine as long as they see the other films first and judge them on their own merits before voting and if anyone asks, no I still felt that the film is worthy of winning it just like all the others because if it really was mediocre, it would not have gotten that 90% score on Rotten Tomatoes and would not have been nominated in the first place.

Also, besides the animation bit, I also have a complaint against the Academy is that they really don't give enough respect to how superhero films have gotten a whole lot better and are worthy of getting Hollywood's best actors to join in on the fun and how in 2014 alone, Cap, X-Men, GOTG and to a certain extent, BH6 has gained a lot of love from crtics and audiences a lot more than the typical Oscar bait released last year and when Oscars made a jab against superhero movies this year despite how some of them are in the technical categories competing, it really didn't sit right with me and Guardians of the Galaxy's James Gunn has struck back against it and I am happy for him coming to the genre's defense and seeing Big Hero 6 win definitely one of the few big victories for superhero movies getting well deserved recognition for how much they have helped the film industry in more ways than one.

In short, everything is all subjective and while I do think that the Academy needs to show some diversity in their picks, it doesn't mean that the choices they picked aren't worth checking out. Do I disagree with them on certain picks? Of course but at least I can see some sort of worthy merit in them, regardless if it's right or not. Anyways, I am still happy that Big Hero 6 won as the directors worked very hard to bring it to life and was a very satisfying experience for me compared to the other animated films in 2014 that I saw. If you all don't agree, that's fine as long as opinions are respected and please, don't say that everyone must enjoy Princess Kaguya more and anyone who doesn't love it is a moron because as good as that film is, not everyone is going to love it and after watching it, I can totally see why.
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The Incredibles also won Best Animated Picture at the Oscars. So I guess superhero movies have a chance if they're animated and done by Disney or Pixar.

Really though, the voters are people who have seen a lot of movies. Hundreds, if not thousands. The movies referred to derogatorily as "Oscar bait" are the ones that they haven't become really bored by, I'd bet. That's the pattern I notice, at least: When one watches a TON of movies, they tend to be attracted towards quiet stories about emotionally torn characters in humble backdrops and more turned off from thrills and action.
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Lycosyncer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:27 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
The Incredibles also won Best Animated Picture at the Oscars. So I guess superhero movies have a chance if they're animated and done by Disney or Pixar.

Really though, the voters are people who have seen a lot of movies. Hundreds, if not thousands. The movies referred to derogatorily as "Oscar bait" are the ones that they haven't become really bored by, I'd bet. That's the pattern I notice, at least: When one watches a TON of movies, they tend to be attracted towards quiet stories about emotionally torn characters in humble backdrops and more turned off from thrills and action.


Yeah and as much as I loved The Incredibles, the message of the film didn't really sit right with me the more I think about it in terms of how saying everyone is special in their own right is wrong and helping non-super powered people get better feels wrong as well, it is on that basis that I actually preferred Big Hero 6 just because the message for that film saying that science can be used to achieve many great things for a much brighter future if they worked hard at it to be quite endearing for anyone who loves science and wants to make a difference in the world.

Also, lets not forget about how much love that The Dark Knight received from everyone back in 2008 and how many people felt that it was snubbed for Best Picture and all that.

Yeah and personally, I really think they need to stop holding only dramas in much higher esteem than all of the other genres because remember how people always accusing them of being way out of touch with audiences at times? The King's Speech winning over The Social Network? Crash over Brokeback Mountain? When something like The Silence of the Lambs winning Best Picture, that was something that they haven't done since the film is mostly known for being a horror/psychological thriller and seeing that win gave that genre some legitimacy and lets also not forget that LOTR: The Return of the King was the first Fantasy movie to ever completely sweep the Oscars! If those out of the box films win Oscars, why can't superhero movies get those awards aside from the technical awards as well if they worked really hard for them to be beloved by both critics and audiences?

In short, if superhero movies get better and better over time, it deserves a shot in winning various prestigious awards such as these.
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Sky Captain



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:17 pm Reply with quote
bravetailor wrote:
Where's Kanye when you need him? Gah! So anticlimactic. The main drama was if any of the 2 smaller films could usurp HTTYD2, that was the real story. Instead they picked the other Hollywood cartoon that got mediocre reviews and audiences came out of theatres going "Meh, it was okay."


Where's Kanye? Well, Kanye only knows about music, not movies or TV, so he won't comment on the Oscars.

As for Big Hero 6, I hate to bust your bubble, but it got a lot of four and five star reviews, particularly in a local paper here in Toronto known for loving artsy movies over more commercial ones. FWIW, Big Hero 6 has made $70M in Japan vs Kaguya @ $22M so it's not simply a cultural thing. That said, although I liked Big Hero 6, I myself don't think that it deserved the Best Picture Oscar, and there are people of color who have problems with it.

For my part, I think that deciding what gets awarded at the Oscars could be fixed like this:

    *All of the people who select the Oscars will be paid employees of the Academy (no professionals, since most of the pros mentioned in this article are usually 'too busy') who would be the only ones with the power to nominate what films are to be awarded (there would be about 400-500 people employed thus, paid out of a special fund set up by the academy and the major studios, as well as donations)

    *These people would be cineastes who are knowledgeable about all film, and about all genres of film (as opposed to the people mentioned in the article who know nothing about film at all-there would be a rigorous selection process for the job as well)

    *These people's jobs would be to watch all of the films in a given year in the genre that they're a specialist in (horror, sci-fi, drama, comedy, romance, war, documentary, action/adventure, animation [including anime], and foreign)

    * As with the first point, what these people decide is final.


I know that this sounds drastic, but it will make for a better and fairer system of judging overall.
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