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db999 wrote:

OK, I believe that there are three separate issues here. Issue 1 continuing to spend money on and financially supporting an author and their works when said author is a despicable person and a criminal

Are you against hiring\buying products made by convicted felons as a matter of principle?

Matros wrote:

Even then it's made by a probblematic studio that will make a half baked product that's not worth supporting. You won't get a visual spectacle.

I am fine with that.

I am just happy that there will be a new Rurouni Kenshin anime in current era.

Animeking1108 wrote:

If you ever needed proof that cancel culture is a myth, look no further than Nobuhiro Watsuki.

This is interesting news to wake up to on the same day that Louis CK surprise-released a new comedy special. Turns out, cancel culture is a fairy tale both in the East and the West.

Animeking1108 wrote:

If you ever needed proof that cancel culture is a myth, look no further than Nobuhiro Watsuki.

not really. there is a big difference when it comes to cancel culture in america and cancel culture in japan!

if he were a western artist, his legendary career would be dead and have no chance of redemption. just ask vic mignoga or bill cosby who had legendary status in their respected careers but were destroyed without a chance of redemption due to how cancel culture works here and to both of them acting like idiots!

whereas in japan, its cancel culture is more or less completely different where someone like watsuki did may get a second chance with his trademark series, whereas japanese voice actors like the VA for Anos (Misfit of the Demon King Academy) more or less may have had his whole career nuked for doing something just as stupid AND have it go public!

I can't think of any other studio than the one who animated Blade of the Immortal for this, so that's good.

I don’t buy the RK manga for obvious reasons but I still enjoy the live-action movies and anime (well, the OVAs). They’re different mediums with different people involved.

It’s fine if some people are uncomfortable with consuming anymore RK media after what happened with Watsuki. It’s also fine if people (like myself) want to still watch the anime and live-action movies. They’re free to read the manga too

I’m curious if this will be a reboot or a continuation. I hope it’s a former as the filler episodes in the original were boring

Wyvern wrote:

This is interesting news to wake up to on the same day that Louis CK surprise-released a new comedy special. Turns out, cancel culture is a fairy tale both in the East and the West.

Not really if you lose a gig or are impacted in some way financially for doing something heinous or problematic it does work. It not being permanent doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. And considering how Japan still harshly punishes celebrity’s for possession or use of drugs or plagiarism or other things…..also see how the careers of people like Johnny Depp or Bill Cosby in the U.S. have turned out.

Oby wrote:

I can support a work no matter what the artist's sexual preference is as long as s/he doesn't touch any innocents.

You don’t need someone to touch innocents in order to cause damage, words/rhetoric alone can suffice which is how we get people who think that being gay or transsexual is a mental issue instead of a person choosing to love who they want to love or identify as the gender they want to identify as. And then we have possession of questionable material which can present it’s own issues especially if it’s something like private pictures or videos which can be leaked to the public. Also if you can enjoy a work by someone such as J.K. Rowling or Watsuki that’s fine just don’t expect everyone else to follow suit or question how can you repudiate Y while giving money to X. As that looks at bit like deflection.

Oby wrote:

Have you experienced the RK manga & anime yourself? If you have any love for the samurai period piece genre & swordmanship action, you should understand why people love RK so much after experiencing it. It has well-written & well-executed story & characters as rich as Cowboy Bebop itself in my humble opinion.

Well you did say in your humble opinion but truthfully and personally speaking it’s a bit on the overrated side.

Casval Rem Deikun wrote:

People talking about the crime that was committed, which was disappointing and wrong. Watsuiki never physically hurt anyone. Though what he had was disturbing, people wanting his career to be over is way too over the top.

Not really especially when if we’re being technical. Depending on how he’s invested and saved his money guy doesn’t need to write or draw another manga again. It’s likely only reason he’s working now is more out of passion then needing the money.

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BadNewsBlues wrote:

Oby wrote:

I can support a work no matter what the artist's sexual preference is as long as s/he doesn't touch any innocents.

You don’t need someone to touch innocents in order to cause damage, words/rhetoric alone can suffice which is how we get people who think that being gay or transsexual is a mental issue instead of a person choosing to love who they want to love or identify as the gender they want to identify as. And then we have possession of questionable material which can present it’s own issues especially if it’s something like private pictures or videos which can be leaked to the public. Also if you can enjoy a work by someone such as J.K. Rowling or Watsuki that’s fine just don’t expect everyone else to follow suit or question how can you repudiate Y while giving money to X. As that looks at bit like deflection.

First, Watsuki didn't even verbally hurt anyone. He kept his "sexual hobby" to himself without physical-involvement with anyone. Just like a junkie who never physically hurt anyone. It's not good, but at least he left others out of it. And he was already legally punished for it.

Second, I don't even like Harry Potter.

Third, when did I ever suggest or hint that others should follow my RK consumption?

Fourth, all my comments are in defense of people who get shamed like me (and many others) for still enjoying the RK materials. We're here just to express our various degrees of excitement for this news. The people who are trying to shame us for it are the ones who are forcing their belief on us.

BadNewsBlues wrote:

Oby wrote:

Have you experienced the RK manga & anime yourself? If you have any love for the samurai period piece genre & swordmanship action, you should understand why people love RK so much after experiencing it. It has well-written & well-executed story & characters as rich as Cowboy Bebop itself in my humble opinion.

Well you did say in your humble opinion but truthfully and personally speaking it’s a bit on the overrated side.

That's fine of course. You do you.

Oby wrote:

First, Watsuki didn't even verbally hurt anyone. He kept his "sexual hobby" to himself without physical-involvement with anyone. Just like a junkie who never physically hurt anyone. It's not good, but at least he left others out of it. And he was already legally punished for it.

Paying for actual CP is directly supporting those that ARE abusing children. All you have to do is say you don't give a shit like numerous other people in this thread owned up to already. The loopholes people are trying to come up with to justify supporting a shitty person and a shitty series are revolting.

Gem-Bug wrote:

Oby wrote:

First, Watsuki didn't even verbally hurt anyone. He kept his "sexual hobby" to himself without physical-involvement with anyone. Just like a junkie who never physically hurt anyone. It's not good, but at least he left others out of it. And he was already legally punished for it.

Paying for actual CP is directly supporting those that ARE abusing children. All you have to do is say you don't give a shit like numerous other people in this thread owned up to already. The loopholes people are trying to come up with to justify supporting a shitty person and a shitty series are revolting.

Context matters. BadNewsBlues was talking about verbal abuse. Which I then replied with facts that Watsuki never did any verbal abuse in this case.

I never deny that Watsuki buying CP materials means supporting the CP industry and he already received his punishment for it.

Casval Rem Deikun wrote:

Watsuiki never physically hurt anyone. Though what he had was disturbing, people wanting his career to be over is way too over the top.

I don't think not directly harming someone himself is a reason to view his crime as a minor one. That said, I also don't think a healthy way to deal with sexual offenders is to turn them into pariahs who can't make a living.

But my personal hang-up here is that it doesn't really seem like the Japanese penal system has done anything meaningful to rehabilitate him; he was fined less than $2,000, and as far as I'm aware that's the only concrete consequence reported to date. It's hard for me to look at that and think that it represents anything like meaningful penance or penitence.

I can't say I ever expected to see a new Kenshin animation, but it'll be interesting to see what they do with it. Like, obviously adapting the Jinchu arc and doing that justice would be ideal, but we're in an era of full remakes covering entire series so would that be in the cards?

I also hope Liden Films can do it justice. I wonder if they'll bring back everyone from the original cast.

I don´t even need to twist myself into a pretzel to see the positive in the new anime. LIDEN FILMS is doing it. They are as terrible as it gets. This is a just punishment, not a reward.

It would be great if he had been jailed and the rights from Kenshin were stripped away from him, so he could not profit of its success and use that money to harm children, but that didn't happen. Even if people don't watch it, he's already been paid an upfront fee for the thing to be created and exist. It's all awful.

I'm sure it sucks to be reminded constantly that the guy that made the thing you like sucks. It's nowhere near the same thing, but Digimon fans had to deal with Chiaki Konaka being a conspiracy theorist earlier this year. That was a bummer. But the inevitable endpoint of these threads is people being told not to talk about it and "let people enjoy things" which is absurd in regards to child porn being funded.

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There's always a possibilty that LIDEN will screw this up like no other.

But even if that happens, the memorable anime is still there. The great manga is also still there and still continues with the Hokkaido arc. And the latest live-action movies already adapted the Jinchu-arc really well. No matter what the naysayers said, the RK property is still flying high.

Really, this LIDEN project is more like a bonus at this point. If it's a dud then nothing of value will be lost.

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