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NEWS: New Rurouni Kenshin TV Anime Reveals Cast, Staff, 2023 Premiere on Noitamina


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catone2



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:19 pm Reply with quote
Gem-Bug wrote:
Literally could've just said this by itself.

I didn't because it goes deeper than that, but if it helps you rationalize it then sure do what you want, lol. You can take last post if you want, too.

ab2143 wrote:
I bet it’s going to be a super condensed remake


They said they're adapting it over again from the very first chapter and the mangaka comment indicates he's more than satisfied with this one over the previous series. Given this is a Shonen Jump series and the movies have kept the franchise in massive relevancy, take it as you will.
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Nonaka Machine Gun B



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:22 pm Reply with quote
Excoman wrote:
So, basically what you are saying is that once someone commits a crime, they shouldn't be forgiven for the rest of their lives, and no even given a chance to earn for their livelihood?


I think if you own so much child pornography on your computer, that the police have to investigate whether or not you are distributing it, there should be a bigger punishment than a fine(that means nothing when you are a rich person) and the short suspension of your serial comic. There has been zero evidence that any type of remorse or true understanding of wrongdoing has happened. I don't understand how anybody could be forgiven if they haven't even done that much.
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lossthief
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:35 pm Reply with quote
MagicPolly wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
This is what it is, sigh, but if Noitamina doing a mainstream Shounen Jump battle anime doesn´t prove that the purpose of the block was lost years ago then I don´t know what can. Probably in 2016 with Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress? Lol.

Seriously, I'd say it was between that and when they decided to air TPN, a straight up Weekly Shounen Jump adaptation.


How quickly we all forget about Guily Crown Laughing


Anyway, my take on Kenshin as a franchise hasn't really changed since Watsuki was first indicted. I loved the series, and it'll always hold a place in my heart, but even if Watsuki himself wasn't set to gain a lot of money and recognition with this revival, I wouldn't have it in me to engage with this new anime. Anything from this franchise is just tainted and I don't know that it'll ever be able to overcome that.

Also people rally gotta stop acting like proud rebels for saying they don't care if they financially support a pedophile, it's just embarrassing. Confused
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:35 pm Reply with quote
Regarding Watsuki, while I think I'd still be able to enjoy his work in a vacuum regardless of his actions, I fully sympathize with those who are unable to do so. What he did was all kinds of gross, and the fact that he got a mere slap on the wrist for it while drug users get crucified makes me feel like the Japanese justice system is a total farce.

Putting that aside for the moment, I will never ever understand why new projects for franchises that already received a partial adaptation in the past decide to readapt the whole thing, instead of just continuing on with the part that everyone has been waiting for. I mean part of Kenshin was already adapted twice if you count that terrible New Kyoto Arc OVA! Pretty much everybody loved the original anime, so why bother doing a retread of it instead of focusing on the one final arc that's never been fully animated in any form? Between this and that needless Berserk announcement, it's like the industry enjoys treading the same exact ground until it's worn into a massive rut.
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Excoman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:37 pm Reply with quote
Nonaka Machine Gun B wrote:
I think if you own so much child pornography on your computer, that the police have to investigate whether or not you are distributing it, there should be a bigger punishment than a fine(that means nothing when you are a rich person) and the short suspension of your serial comic. There has been zero evidence that any type of remorse or true understanding of wrongdoing has happened. I don't understand how anybody could be forgiven if they haven't even done that much.

Then don't forgive him, and forever hate the guy, while thousands of us will enjoy watching anime that adapts manga that he made.
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GNPixie



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:40 pm Reply with quote
Discourse on this will be fuuuuuuun. /s
spoiler[In reality, it's probably going to be incredibly toxic judging by this thread.].

Nonaka Machine Gun B wrote:

There has been zero evidence that any type of remorse or true understanding of wrongdoing has happened.


To be fair, there's also been nothing implying the opposite hasn't happened either. Its one of those things that would be incredibly hard to judge if you didn't know somebody personally. It has been five years after all, correct me if I'm wrong. A lot can happen in five years after all.

People probably have their minds set in stone since news first broke about all this either way. I don't think its in anybody's interest to judge anybody else on how they feel about this situation. Everybody's probably got complex feelings about all this.
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Excoman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:44 pm Reply with quote
Top Gun wrote:
Putting that aside for the moment, I will never ever understand why new projects for franchises that already received a partial adaptation in the past decide to readapt the whole thing, instead of just continuing on with the part that everyone has been waiting for. I mean part of Kenshin was already adapted twice if you count that terrible New Kyoto Arc OVA! Pretty much everybody loved the original anime, so why bother doing a retread of it instead of focusing on the one final arc that's never been fully animated in any form? Between this and that needless Berserk announcement, it's like the industry enjoys treading the same exact ground until it's worn into a massive rut.

Do you honestly, HONESTLY don't understand, or is that just a figure of speech?

Because I can easily explain to you why the manga is receiving a new adaptation from the start.
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:46 pm Reply with quote
Yes, it's "to make money," but on a personal level, no, I don't. I don't want to start the story again from the beginning; I already watched all of that. I just want to see the conclusion.

(And before anyone says "well the first adaptation is too old," we've seen more than our fair share of straight continuations of popular old franchises well after the fact, both in the anime world and in Hollywood.)
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Ishida_Akira(fake)



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:52 pm Reply with quote
ANN_Lynzee wrote:
Why do both of you have to speak for everyone in these statements? There's no way you can measure that "most people don't care about x". Just speak for yourself instead of making generalities that make your position seem reasonable.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to speak for everyone. I majored in human behavior (not how you say this in English, but it's a direct translation), and empathy was a major part of my studies. I know it's not like everyone thinks the was statistics say they do, but the vast majority do. And the fact is that most people fake/mime empathy in situations that they believe would be socially mandated that they fell it, even though it doesn't actually have anything to do with them.
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Excoman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:56 pm Reply with quote
Top Gun wrote:
Yes, it's "to make money," but on a personal level, no, I don't. I don't want to start the story again from the beginning; I already watched all of that. I just want to see the conclusion.

(And before anyone says "well the first adaptation is too old," we've seen more than our fair share of straight continuations of popular old franchises well after the fact, both in the anime world and in Hollywood.)

Yeah, it's to make money, but...

Anime isn't aimed at you who is probably in your 30s now, so whatever you want doesn't really matter.

Conclusion will eventually come, so if you want to see it that badly, either go read the manga, or be patient, which shouldn't be a problem because anime was without it for a while now.
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Ishida_Akira(fake)



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:04 pm Reply with quote
Excoman wrote:
Anime isn't aimed at you who is probably in your 30s now, so whatever you want doesn't really matter.

OK, now that is ASOLUTE bullshit. I'm 35, by the way. And a LOT of people my age shell out major cash for anime merchandise. And, by the way, there's no such thing as "not for you" in regards to media. ANY media.
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Excoman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:08 pm Reply with quote
Ishida_Akira(fake) wrote:

OK, now that is ASOLUTE bullshit. I'm 35, by the way. And a LOT of people my age shell out major cash for anime merchandise. And, by the way, there's no such thing as "not for you" in regards to media. ANY media.
From Wikipedia:

Shōnen manga (少年漫画, transl. "boys' comics", also romanized as shonen, shounen or syônen) is an editorial category of Japanese comics targeting an audience of adolescent boys

Rurouni Kenshin is a shonen.

__________

Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Precure, all of that stuff is aimed at children; doesn't mean adults won't watch it.
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Ishida_Akira(fake)



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:14 pm Reply with quote
Excoman, allow me to introduce you to the term "Periphery Demographic". It's when series aimed at certain age groups insert things that other age groups will enjoy. Precure is a great example, since children have no actual need for the sakuka fight scenes we get each season. Those are pretty much all for the "big fans". So yeah, your assessment is only good for the first three letters. Because it's ass.
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Allison Addams



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:21 pm Reply with quote
Excoman wrote:
Then don't forgive him, and forever hate the guy, while thousands of us will enjoy watching anime that adapts manga that he made.


We get it, you're an apathetic, mindless consumer who only cares about your cartoons.

I hate the fact that people like you are around and poison fandom like this. People aren't just waving off what the author did because it was an awful thing that he didn't even get punished for. All he got was a fine, and a short suspension of his manga. That is nothing. At the very least he shouldn't be making manga anymore, but the dude should have went to prison.

It's not a victimless crime even if all he did was own CP. Children are horrifically abused and traumatized to create this stuff because people like Watsuki exist. Also he was suspected of distributing it as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did do that too.

And yes, even though I don't know these children I can still obviously empathize with what's happening to them because I'm not trying to be an awful, apathetic person who lacks even basic human decency and empathy.
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Fedora-san



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:49 pm Reply with quote
Top Gun wrote:
Putting that aside for the moment, I will never ever understand why new projects for franchises that already received a partial adaptation in the past decide to readapt the whole thing, instead of just continuing on with the part that everyone has been waiting for.


Most of the time those partial adaptions were not great to begin with and need to be updated from episode 1 because the amount of things they changed, omitted, or added in the series wouldn't fit in with a more true-to-the-manga adaption.

I'd also say it's far more logical and convenient to remake an adaption from start to finish rather than just starting a series midway through a story and just tell people to go watch a 25 year old show if they want to know what's going on. That's not great from a marketing standpoint. In cases where we're talking about 50+ volume series like Inuyasha and Bleach then the continuation method has some justification as that's a lot of material to animate. But for shorter titles and titles that had a lot altered I think it's much more preferable to start from the beginning.
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