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fuuma_monou
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That's why I included anime in quotes. B:TAS, Gargoyles, etc. obviously aren't anime-ish, nor do they try to be. And I do happen to think that most faux anime is crap, but then so is most anime. |
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jetz
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It did? Are you that insecure over Avatar's quality? I didn't even think about that when I made the post. I was just coming up with examples and since people were mentioning Avatar, I included it along with Totally Spies. Besides, I don't even watch these shows.. Why would I say they were bad? |
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Richard J.
 Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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Answerman: The Movie! He alone must fight to save the world from stupidity! Surrounded by gorgeous women, he machine guns, rocket launches, and C-4s his way to Lord Flake, the insane wannabe dictator trying to dominate the world with bad grammar and spelling. After destroying the evil villain using his superior intellect (and a small nuclear device) Answerman saves a little girl's kitten from the evil neighborhood sadist boy (by exploding the creep) paving the way for Answerman 2: Dread Moe. Imagine the blockbuster that would be. |
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fuuma_monou
Posts: 1826 Location: Quezon City, Philippines |
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And there you go again, accusing me of something I didn't say or mean. You don't watch these shows, I get it. They're not good enough. You know. Because they're not real anime. I'm so glad we had this conversation. |
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jetz
Posts: 2148 Location: Manila, Philippines |
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Uh excuse me, aren't you the one accusing me of saying things I didn't say? Did I say Avatar wasn't good enough? Nope. I just don't watch Avatar because I have no time. Thanks for such an intelligent discouse, Avatar fan boy.
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Murasakisuishou
 Posts: 1469 Location: NE Ohio |
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Well said. I have written mostly original stories myself, and in the case of the fanfic I mentioned earlier, the central character had a whopping three lines in the whole series. I had to come up with most of her personality, and I'm not entirely sure I didn't make up her name too. Also, there is a difference between some one-shot Ed/Roy porno fanfic written by a twelve-year-old girl who has never even had heterosexual sex in her life (my apologies to any twelve-year-old girls who were offended by this), and someone telling a story that fits in the with storyline of the anime, but reveals a different side of the plot that most people may not think about. This is what I believe fanfiction should be used for; rounding out characters who no one really thinks about and adding a new dimension to the anime, not just pairing up anyone and everyone and sticking sex scenes in every fade to black moment, or worse yet, coming up with something totally alternate universe. At that point, just make up your own characters. |
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namelissis
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Based on my friend's reply, Mr. i got my username from X, she didn't say anything offensive about Avatar. You, yourself are discriminating the show! So don't talk like an egoistic FAN!!! She just said she doesn't have time and she is not into those kind of animation! Well, sorry if it's wrong that we vary opinions Mr! But you know what?! You should learn how to accept that you can't push anything you like to an individual... Did you ever heard of the quote: "To each is to his own". I can't believe, you'll also pick a fight to your fellow Filipino!!
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The Xenos
 Posts: 1519 Location: Boston |
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Oh yeah, I was going to comment on the fan fiction thing. Yet my opinion of fan fiction is so low, I don't think I can say much. I'm dumbfounded that people expect money for this crap. At least fan art you're drawing something yourself. (Well, hopefully. If you're just copying another image and hitting print, you're a cheap thief.) Fan fic is worse. Answerman is right, no one is going to buy it. It's words on a page and you're not even creating your own characters.
Again, here comes my total distaste for fan fic. It's masturbation. I'm not even talking about the pornographic ones. It's creative masturbation. Instead of creating something of your own, you're taking someone else's characters you like and waking off to them on paper. Excuse my bluntness, but I'm just sick of seeing people wasting time cranking out this fluff. Now if you're just doing this to stretch your legs, fine. If it's just fun exercise, sh--s and giggles among friends, sure. Yet when idiots promote themselves as writers based on this stuff and even have the nerve to think of selling it? Whoa. Back off there, pal. This is not something to sell yourself on. You're a joke if you do, a sad one. Then again I guess you could apply the same to fan artists in artist alley. If all you're doing is drawing Inuyasha or Full Metal Alchemist or whatever anime characters, what good are you? Do something on you own for a change. Those are the artists I look for in artist alley. Occasional parody using other characters is fine, but if that's all you got, what's the point? Then again, I guess I should be careful what I say. A friend has a web comic and he's been running dangerously close to that when he does finally work on it or appear in artist alley. Though I'd complain to him just as I would anyone else online. Only thing is he knows where I live and can punch me.
I'm sorry.. did you just say Naruto has a realistic look? HA! Please. Most Shonen Jump or even most shonen titles are cartoony. Death Note springs to mind as one of the most realistic looking styles among them. Never mind when you look at older and seinen stuff like Berserk or Lone Wolf and Cub or Ryoichi Ikegami on Crying Freeman. Now THERE are more realistic manga styles. Of course if you're animating something, why go for realism? It makes it tougher to animate. For animation, you want to make it simpler and less real. Otherwise animating it will be much much more of a pain. Hell, even Naruto's more cartoony style is simplified and dumbed down when its animated and that's done by a giant studio. I encourage you to check out Scott McCloud's book Understanding Comics. It talks about realism vs cartoon. Some brilliant things there that should help you in your work. Plus it also talks about comics in Japan and the west. |
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Unholy_Nny
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*sees a flame war stirring that would react to bad things happening to this thread*
*also sees some remarks towards race dictating who you shouldn't argue with* ... So, I haven't had any input on the topic of fanfics yet. Selling them is stupid. Fanfics are OK when they're done properly, and I don't mind the occasional read. However, I find original stories far better. I'm currently trying to write some stuff, and so far I have a random BS short(Two whole whopping pages) story about Target stores(Which includes psychopathic homicide, suicide, and Satan). Also have an entire novel planned out, have a very in-depth outline, but I'm starting to question whether or not I'll be able to write it or if the quality of the story is worth the bother of writing it. |
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The Xenos
Posts: 1519 Location: Boston |
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I somewhat figured that and wasn't trying to make an example of you. I've just seen so many people use it without quotes or anything, just accepting it as a term. Seeing it even in quotes without a bit more comment on the term just got my dander up. Bah. Kids these days. You're right. Faux anime is right. There's the proper term. Why the hell can't we just have animation, period? Oh and you're right about most anime being crap. I hang around here trying to find and support the good ones in the rough sea that is anime. Oh and, again, stay the hell off my lawn. Pesky kids with their Amerimanga. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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I would say I mostly agree with yours and Zac's assessment of fanfic, however...
I was just wondering what your, or Zac's if he wants, opinion on published works like like Star Wars*, Star Trek, Aliens, Conan, Halo, etc, etc. *Obviously I am not talking about the authors directly related to the original concept of the story or show, but the many spin-off novels that come off of them. |
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ichiro3923
 Posts: 167 Location: hiding in your closet watching you |
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I'd want Jason Alexander (George Costanza from Seinfeld) to act as Zac. I think he can pull off the cynical/snarky attitude (No offence) |
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Lady Multi
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I echo that statement about teh Star Wars and Star Trek books. They're simply glorified fanfiction after all. My Mom thinks so, too, and she is the one who owns them. |
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Murasakisuishou
Posts: 1469 Location: NE Ohio |
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So writing is not as hard as drawing? Excuse me, but as both a fan artist and a writer (of original work) I beg to differ. My average art piece takes about a day, sometimes two days because of my penchant for drawing at four AM. I won't say that I'm the best artist out there, because I know I'm not, but I've been drawing fanart for a number of years and I like to think I've reached a certain level of skill. Yet, if I were to take one of my drawings and try to write a short story about it, it would take far longer. I spend weeks on a single chapter of the novel I'm writing, just because I continually go back and revise, trying to make it as good as possible. Drawing may look more impressive, but I would have to say that writing takes just as much, if not more, effort. Of course, there are BILLIONS of bad fanfics out there. There's no denying this; I've read more than my fair share, and as a general rule I don't look at much fanfiction anymore because most of it is utter twaddle. And you're right, a lot of it is just ahuge fan wank. But I've also seen a few genuinely well-written fanfics that are basically just side stories that fit within the realm of the fandom, yet don't impose on it. Not all fanfiction is crap. Personally, I'm not looking to sell my work, so I have nothing to say with regard to that argument; I would just like it understood that some fanfiction authors write to excersize their skills with familiar characters and get critique on it before moving on to original pieces. Don't lump them in with all the screaming yaoi fangirls. |
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irishninja
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I'm sure it applies to everyone... eventually. Your tolerance level might vary, of course. And it's not just people working in the anime industry, either. If you make a hobby into your job, it ceases to be a hobby.
In a way, yes. Shared-world fiction (or licensed fiction, if you prefer) is kind of a weird little critter. It pays the bills for the authors, but it gets them no prestige for when they try to write in their own worlds. Many authors who write in their own worlds and also in the worlds of other people use pseudonyms and pen names to mask who they are. The difference between fan-fic and licensed fic is that the original creator (usually through a representative, of course) of a world has control over licensed fic. He can dictate the story to the author and has absolute control (unless he's dumb) and final say in what gets published and what gets killed. This assures that licensed fic stays close to canon, or that it at least doesn't contradict canon too much. (And yes, Star Wars is an exception—George Lucas doesn't care about contradicting licensed fic. IIRC, he even said so once in an interview. Classy.  )
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