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kazenoyume



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:41 am Reply with quote
crosswithyou wrote:
I think one series that bucked the trend was Yuri!!! on ICE. Since a lot of real life (foreign) skaters got really into it, Japanese people paid a bit more attention to overseas reactions to the series.


I was actually going to mention this. Very true! Japanese fans enjoy seeing their favorite non-Japanese skaters and YOI fans like Johnny Weir, Stephane Lambiel, Evgenia Medvedeva, and of course meme king Joe Johnson tweet and follow their accounts/retweet them all the time.

There has, also in my experience been more interaction between the Japanese and English speaking fandom for this series as well. Japanese and English artists talk back and forth more on twitter, memes and jokes are shared across fandoms, etc. I think the extremely international audience this show has garnered, including some really famous international faces, has sort of broken that insular barrier between Japanese and Western fandom a lot more than we usually see. I've really enjoyed that.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:49 am Reply with quote
ignitingblue wrote:
There is a Japanese site that translates foreigners' comment on things relevant to Japan. Name's "record of replies from ten thousand overseas countries", literally. It has a category that is about comments about anime and manga. So I think there are people in Japan who are aware of what foreigners are discussing.


Those pop up on 2ch and other sites from time to time. I once saw a thread where they tried to translate/explain /a/ memes and jargon

Stuart Smith wrote:
I am a FFXIV player myself. Even in this moment I am crafting something in the game... Heard that FFXI even made WoW hard to penetrate Japanese market... Final Fantasy as a series is really aimed at international market. Most BGM in FFXIV that have lyrics are mostly in English. They even tried to invite a famous Chinese singer to perform the theme of FFVIII, if I recall correctly. The attempt failed though.
BtW ACT allows you see what's shrinking. So when the party fails a DPS check and is wiped, you know who is responsible.


WoW was never released in Japan, actually. PC only is probably a big hurdle, as is Japan's unfamiliarity with the franchise.

leafy sea dragon wrote:
While I don't know quite as much about the competitive scene as other video game franchises, top finishers at the Pokémon World Championships have traditionally come from a variety of countries. The only recent time that Japan swept the top 6 was 2015, the infamous "chalk" year, where they brought in mostly the same teams. Same goes for the card game (though without a year like 2015).


Some games Japan doesn't even play competitively, like Smash Bros. Americans are obsessed with Melee to this day, but no one in Japan really plays it, at least competitively. It's treated as more of a party and casual game even by Sakurai himself. No idea on how big competitive Pokemon is in Japan, though.

Likewise, stuff like Overwatch might be huge in America, but its not really played much in Japan. Splatoon is the biggest shooter there, but I wouldnt be surprised if Americans play CoD or Overwatch over Splatoon. Though Americans playing American games and Japan playing Japanese games isn't really strange.

-Stuart Smith
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ignitingblue



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:37 am Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:

I'm finding that site way more amusing than I should. Then again, I do sometimes follow sites that keep records of comments from Japanese fans of western animation to see what they think of current trends. This is the flipside of that.


Yea I have seen Japanese bloggers writing comments on foreign animation/comic. There is also a site that introduces foreign comics to Japan .

Stuart Smith wrote:

WoW was never released in Japan, actually. PC only is probably a big hurdle, as is Japan's unfamiliarity with the franchise.


Thanks for the information. Heard that steam, the popular PC gaming platform is very unfriendly to Japanese, for someone told me Japanese language pack for some games is not free.
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:11 am Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
Some games Japan doesn't even play competitively, like Smash Bros. Americans are obsessed with Melee to this day, but no one in Japan really plays it, at least competitively. It's treated as more of a party and casual game even by Sakurai himself. No idea on how big competitive Pokemon is in Japan, though.

-Stuart Smith


Regarding Pokémon, the competitive scene does exist in Japan, and it's pretty big, but it's separate from the western competitive scene. Most notably, Japanese competitive players adopted double battling long before the westerners did, which, in the online ranked battles, has resulted in lots of Japanese double battling specialistsand western single battling specialists. They also adopted different strategies, resulting in different tier lists between the two regions (but largely agree on who is overpowered).

The player base for Pokémon in Japan is massive, and they're the region you'll most likely find players from regardless of which online mode you play. For the actual physical championships though, the World Championships are invitational and a fixed amount of players are chosen from each region. Hence, most of the top Japanese players take each other out in the competitions leading up to the invitations.

ignitingblue wrote:
Yea I have seen Japanese bloggers writing comments on foreign animation/comic. There is also a site that introduces foreign comics to Japan .


That was a fun thing to see too, even if I couldn't read anything on there!
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Sakagami Tomoyo



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:44 am Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
Those pop up on 2ch and other sites from time to time. I once saw a thread where they tried to translate/explain /a/ memes and jargon


Given the reputations the respective sites have, I have to wonder if even 2ch were asking "WTF is wrong with these people?" when discussing 4chan.
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Paiprince



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:32 am Reply with quote
Sakagami Tomoyo wrote:
Stuart Smith wrote:
Those pop up on 2ch and other sites from time to time. I once saw a thread where they tried to translate/explain /a/ memes and jargon


Given the reputations the respective sites have, I have to wonder if even 2ch were asking "WTF is wrong with these people?" when discussing 4chan.


One of the most popular threads on the site features the mushroom cloud. You can let your imagination go from there.
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RANGIT



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:34 am Reply with quote
Yup, sometimes they do care. Maybe even a bit too much.
Especially when it's something they're really passionate about.
I remember this Reddit post asking "How does Japan feel/react to the Love Live English dub?"
And someone answered this:
Instigare wrote:
They did care in fact, I remember the few days during which the dub came out the Love Live board on 2ch was really excited over it talking about how nice the English dub sounds and how cute the English VAs sound, and ironically also talking about how Japanese VAs stale compared to them.

I'll edit this post when I can find the thread again.

EDIT: couldn't find the threads but found http://jin115.com/archives/52120913.html which shows a lot of how Japanese fans reacted to it. Other than the shitposts, here are some comments translated to English:

• "I have no idea how accurate it is but from a technical standpoint isn't the Western version much better?"

• "The English voices are so moe lol"

• "Japan's idol seiyuus suck compared to this"

• "If Moe culture reaches America like this what is the point of Japanese moe culture existing?"

• "Apparently Americans think Japanese people's tongues are really short and they speak as though they're shooting bullets off a machine gun which is why they don't like Japanese" <- kek'd so hard at this

• "Oh, the OP is in Japanese, it would've been more interesting if the OP was in English as well."

• "Japanese seiyuus are all about their face after all" <- talking about how "talentless" Japanese seiyuus are

• "Maki-chan isn't a pole here so try again." <- talking about how Pile's voice acting is really stale, which many Japanese fans think

Other than this and some shitposts here and there, it's all wows and this is awesomes.
They really do care.
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Jonny Mendes



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:29 am Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
Jonny Mendes wrote:


Does American entertainment media listen to opinions of other Countries (Ok, Hollywood are listening to the Chinese but looking at the results, that is not that good)?


.....Releasing movies like Transformers Age Of Extinction and making a substantial amount of money as a consequence is bad? Not sure what you're alluding to.


I was talking about Hollywood making changes in scripts so not offend the Chinese or dictating that some actors can't be main characters because they will not appeal to the Chinese audience. That what i'm alluding to.
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Afezeria



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:43 am Reply with quote
Paiprince wrote:
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I'm a bit out of bound when it comes to 2ch and 4chan. Are those sites used by Japanese or English speaking men? Because the last time I've visited there, almost everything is in English or my memories failed me.
RANGIT wrote:
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Are those posts that were collected are even legit to be begin with? Everyone can learn Japanese and get under disguise as one on the net, especially if they're Korean, Chinese or foreigners living in Japan. I find it hard to believe that the shit they've rant about is the same usual stuff that western fandom always spoke off, being just backward.
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Jonny Mendes



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:16 am Reply with quote
Afezeria wrote:
Paiprince wrote:
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I'm a bit out of bound when it comes to 2ch and 4chan. Are those sites used by Japanese or English speaking men? Because the last time I've visited there, almost everything is in English or my memories failed me.
RANGIT wrote:
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Are those posts that were collected are even legit to be begin with? Everyone can learn Japanese and get under disguise as one on the net, especially if they're Korean, Chinese or foreigners living in Japan. I find it hard to believe that the shit they've rant about is the same usual stuff that western fandom always spoke off, being just backward.


Fun fact:
2chan in reality is American.
Created in the good old USA by a Japanese and since 2014 the administrator is an American in San Francisco.

Most of the Japanese users drop it and went to other sites.
Most people posting there are Americans and Japanese-Americans.
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ChibiKangaroo



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:24 am Reply with quote
If the international market really is 1/3 to 1/4 of Anime revenue now, Blood- needs to be in this discussion. He was trying to have a conversation on that particular data point.
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Paul D. Atreides



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:55 am Reply with quote
I just ignore all other anime fans equally, regardless if they're Japanese or Western Cool
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:57 am Reply with quote
RANGIT wrote:
Yup, sometimes they do care. Maybe even a bit too much.
Especially when it's something they're really passionate about.
I remember this Reddit post asking "How does Japan feel/react to the Love Live English dub?"
And someone answered this.


I remember seeing comments like this in regards to the Call of Duty games (namely that EA got a lot of complaints from Japan how the English-language voices with Japanese subtitles were not available to select). The grass really is greener on the other side.

Afezeria wrote:
Are those posts that were collected are even legit to be begin with? Everyone can learn Japanese and get under disguise as one on the net, especially if they're Korean, Chinese or foreigners living in Japan. I find it hard to believe that the shit they've rant about is the same usual stuff that western fandom always spoke off, being just backward.


Why is it hard to believe the Japanese fans have opinions about stuff in English similar to those of fans in the Anglosphere about stuff in Japanese? I'd say that's the logical thing to happen..

Jonny Mendes wrote:

Fun fact:
2chan in reality is American.
Created in the good old USA by a Japanese and since 2014 the administrator is an American in San Francisco.

Most of the Japanese users drop it and went to other sites.
Most people posting there are Americans and Japanese-Americans.


Which other sites? (Also, since 2chan's people post anonymously, it can't be easily proven where they post from. But I highly doubt there can be that much activity, all of it in Japanese, with only a Japanese minority.)
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Jonny Mendes



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:51 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:

Jonny Mendes wrote:

Fun fact:
2chan in reality is American.
Created in the good old USA by a Japanese and since 2014 the administrator is an American in San Francisco.

Most of the Japanese users drop it and went to other sites.
Most people posting there are Americans and Japanese-Americans.


Which other sites? (Also, since 2chan's people post anonymously, it can't be easily proven where they post from. But I highly doubt there can be that much activity, all of it in Japanese, with only a Japanese minority.)


They go to similar chan sites and anime BBS's.


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TrailOfDead



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:25 pm Reply with quote
Paul D. Atreides wrote:
I just ignore all other anime fans equally, regardless if they're Japanese or Western Cool


correct
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