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NEWS: Japan's Lack of Laws on Virtual Child Porn Criticized


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Tyrenol



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:40 pm Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
Well, Japanese artists could draw only adult looking characters (over 18 yo) in sexual situations and that would solve the problem. Laughing


You should sign up to work either in the offices of UNICEF or under President Barack Obama.

Because you seem to be THE ONLY ONE in this forum whose brain is not completely in the gutter.

I'm seeing this happen again: Governmental (or government supported) entities talking about how "this is wrong" and everyone (and their lawyers) going "no it isn't, and we can get proof." I, for one, am sick of it.

Here's my question: Where are the people fighting against UNICEF? Why are they all "anonymous," afraid to show their faces and bodies, and are always a feet or two away from kicking distance?

Oh yeah; they'll make that argument about the gun-wielding child soldiers in Africa and why UNICEF is not doing much about them. That 6000-yen "Kodomo no Jigan" DVD they just bought (or not) could keep an African child off the streets for two monts. Razz

Here's my reason:

They're visually sickening, mentally broken failures of life you'd warn (your) kids about and not to become. They'd sooner buy "anime girl body pillows" or a CLANNAD DVD before they support anything actually positive, healthy, and meaningful to the rest of the world.

And before you fling darts at me: I wasn't happy with the foster children selling bars of candy out at the entrances of grocery stores; said candy melting in the sunlight. I tried to complain against it and had nearly gotten fired from my job. So yeah. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:41 pm Reply with quote
Yet another case of hypersensitivity from those trying to maintain political correctness in their countries and using anime as a fear tactic to try making themselves feel justified to speak out against the content in anime. As some have already discussed, I'm not gonna be tempted to do the same things that I see with kids or teens from fictional Japanese animated programs. I know enough to discern between reality and fiction.

This has as much absurdity as the mainstream news media and politicians using violent video gamesand controversial pop cultural figures as scapegoats to point blame for the tragedies of Columbine.
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DmonHiro





PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:01 pm Reply with quote
All you morons who are defending virtual child pornography are sick bastards who should be............................


If you are one of the people who think like the text above this, then you need to get your head out of your.......pants, and use that energy for something USEFULL. Worry about the REAL child pornography, where REAL children are abused. Who the hell cares that X is reading a loli-porn manga and je*&^%ing off? Is he harming anyone? You ACTUALLY think that if I, or anyone else, reads a loli rape manga, is going to go out on the streets looking for victims? GET REAL!

These ass*&^* are just trying to justyfy their paychecks by doing something easy, that does not actually need a lot of work. Go hel some real children, you lazy POS from UNICEF. THEN, after you've rid the world of real child pron, do you even have THE RIGHT to mention virtual child porn.

THIS is why I don't donate. Because I KNOW my money would NOT be spent helping children. It would just go in the bottomless pockets of people who are only interested in money.
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cetriya



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:17 pm Reply with quote
Onizuka666 wrote:
There are children in real trouble in the world, concentrate on them, and not the imagined kind that live in japanese entertainment media.


As much as I dislike fake child porn being available, there is only so much resources to enforce laws.

Also, I'd like those loli idols to be gone and other openly stated child porn in countries like haiti, brazil, ect


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IDACORASKA



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:44 pm Reply with quote
I am glad to live in a nation that allows anyone to express themselves anyway they want, but WE ALL MUST be carefull & respectful to those who do not share our opnions. Also WE ALL MUST BE WILLING to STAND-UP, & PROTECT BY PEACEFUL MEANS IF POSSABLE these rights that are stated by BOTH The U.S. CONSTUTION & The BILL OF RIGHTS!!!!!
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:51 pm Reply with quote
IDACORASKA wrote:
I am glad to live in a nation that allows anyone to express themselves anyway they want, but WE ALL MUST be carefull & respectful to those who do not share our opnions. Also WE ALL MUST BE WILLING to STAND-UP, & PROTECT BY PEACEFUL MEANS IF POSSABLE these rights that are stated by BOTH The U.S. CONSTUTION & The BILL OF RIGHTS!!!!!


Uh. which country would that be? Even the US has limits.
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omegaviper



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:51 pm Reply with quote
i don't think they should do anything about either version of this, because then it will be harder to obtane.
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DmonHiro





PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:54 pm Reply with quote
omegaviper wrote:
i don't think they should do anything about either version of this, because then it will be harder to obtane.


...pardon me? now I know I didn't read that right, cause you just said that they should leave virtual AND REAL child porn alone, so it's easyer to find. I agree an the virtual one man, but real child porn needs to dissapear FOREVER.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:58 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
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Dr. Ethel Quayle, a prominent psychologist from Cork, Ireland, addressed a session attended by all the gathered representatives in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. According to Quayle, the United Kingdom and other countries outlaw comics with sexual depictions or abuse of children. Qualye said that Japan does restrict photographs of actual children, but does not restrict manga or anime. She asserted this allows "problematic" images to spread throughout the rest of the world.


Well, no one calls your church problematic, in spite of the fact that it's been hiding its real child abuse for the last century. Rolling Eyes
Just your typical cheap shot with that mate. There was always laws against that, just that it was so well hidden and not talked about under a veil of fear, and disbelief that a person of the clothe would be so evil. I'm not apologising for it. I detest it just as much as any with a conscience of justice. On topic now and Japan has been learning to be embarrassed about it's cultural acceptances since Commodore Perry cracked open their shell. My feeling is if they want to produce that sort of thing, then keep it to themselves and don't export it, and to those who need to see it, take your chances and keep that to yourselves as well. But if you perp a child abuse charge and they find it in your property, it should be used against you in court. IMHO.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:10 pm Reply with quote
sunflower wrote:
Dargonxtc wrote:
Please link to this study.


I don't know what study that person spoke of, but these studies are relevant to the issue, though they focus on pornography in general. Milton Diamond is a well-known researcher in his field.

Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan
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First I would like to commend you on providing something, whereas most would provide nothing. I would also like to say that yeah, I do see the fine line with which this walks, but it is also important not to have knee-jerk reactions and to actually think about this. And that goes for both sides. The price of being wrong is also great, for both sides. That is not to say I don't have problems with using this study in this circumstance.
  • It is a statistical study, not an exploratory one. As in actual substantiative research. Statistically you can prove many things through various methods. It is no joke that the old saying goes, you can prove anything with statistics. Some through correlations that aren't actually correlated, and others through ignoring correlations that should be admitted. How does Japan's sex crimes increase or decrease compare to the rest of the worlds over the same time period? Ignoring Japan's results and treating it as an outlier, where would the closest comparison be drawn? Does it factor in whether the society as a whole was already heading in a more educated, more civil disposition of what is and what isn't appropriate behavior? I.e. the growing up of a society. Does the study take into account that most sex crimes in Japan go unreported due to the fact that women regardless of fault are almost always heavily shunned by the entire community for coming forward?

  • As you mentioned, this was a look at adult pornography, not child child pornography. It is completely okay for me to go out and find a women(or man) with which I can act my sexual fantasies and desires on. Just like pornography. Provided it is consensual. As far as I know, having sex in Japan is still legal, and relatively easily accessible, given the plethora love motels and bukkake clubs. With a little courage and determination, it would be an achievable and legal to act out almost all of ones desires if you really wanted too. With just a statistical study that looks at adult pornography as a whole, we come to the conclusion that people enjoy watching others performing acts and desires that are in fact legally achievable goals for the viewer. This can also account for illegal desires such as rape, whereas such things can be legally and realistically role-played to relieve ones urges. Yes this points to a change in a societies mores, but one in which the premise was a legal and accepted fact to begin with. Humans must have sex to survive. And it's okay for sex to be "fun".

  • This all ties in with virtual child porn, where the act of drawing and viewing the items has no effect on any real person. However this is why I ask for substantial research, since there is no legal way for one to physically act out ones desires like there is with adult porn. Considering how large the adult porn industry is, with the ability to act out ones desires, I am suspect of people saying that keeping their desires bottled up yet encouraged through propagation of virtual child porn somehow reduces ones will to actually act out those desires in a live action situation. Again it is hard to say, since I don't think a well regarded study exists, one way or the other to either prove or disprove the above.
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angel_lover



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:28 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
But if you perp a child abuse charge and they find it in your property, it should be used against you in court. IMHO.

I think that if you're convicted of participation in the sexual abuse of real children in any way, shape or form, then it shouldn't make any difference what you do or don't have in your home, you should go down and stay down - an automatic life sentence would be entirely appropriate, because that's what you've already given to the child you abused. But on the other hand, if you've never touched a real child, never tried to groom one, never chatted one up online by pretending to be another kid, never participated in any way, either as a supplier or consumer, of actual child pornography, erotica or anything that could conceivably have involved a real child in something that he or she did not fully understand or might have regretted when they were older and wiser, then it's nobody's business at all, not even UNICEF's, what you possess in the privacy of your own home.
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Joichiro Nishi



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:39 pm Reply with quote
Lolicon is just not cool; it's sick and tasteless. If you like to watch little girls in sexual scenes, you are a pedophile; even if you only watch drawing little girls. Freedom implied respect for other people's rights.
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angel_lover



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:45 pm Reply with quote
Joichiro Nishi wrote:
Freedom implied respect for other people's rights.

Please explain whose rights I have infringed by looking at a drawing. Please also explain why your personal tastes should be the standard for public morality and legislation.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:46 pm Reply with quote
Joichiro Nishi wrote:
Lolicon is just not cool; it's sick and tasteless. If you like to watch little girls in sexual scenes, you are a pedophile; even if you only watch drawing little girls. Freedom implied respect for other people's rights.


Whose rights are lewd drawings of imaginery people infringing upon? The fictional children on the paper?
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Joichiro Nishi



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:56 pm Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
Joichiro Nishi wrote:
Lolicon is just not cool; it's sick and tasteless. If you like to watch little girls in sexual scenes, you are a pedophile; even if you only watch drawing little girls. Freedom implied respect for other people's rights.


Whose rights are lewd drawings of imaginery people infringing upon? The fictional children on the paper?


What about if I make a comic about black people getting slapped, tortured, mutilated and raped by the KKK? I guess that would be totally cool for you because they are fictional characters.
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