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joel_s95387



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:39 pm Reply with quote
Back to the DBZ bashing, I don't DBZ/DBGT anymore because everytime I watch it, I fall asleep. But that doesn't mean I used to be in love with the show and watch it everyday. Yeah it's bad, but not when we started watching it. It was the best thing ever back then and most people didn't have much insight into anime besides DBZ, I'm talking about before [as]. I like Ranma 1/2, Lupin, and Robotech becuase to me they are classics because I grew up watching them but compare them to recent shows or show them to younger anime fans, they'll tell you that its gay and it's time to watch Samurai Champloo.

Personally i really think Evangelion is over rated. I loved the character relationships but everything else was Meh. The angels were creative but forgettable. I really want to watch the platinum collection because I hope it'll change my mind about the series but I highly doubt it. To me this series belongs on the list above.

"Anime is like Mike Jones, Back Then They Didn't Want It Now It's Hot They All On It." His words not mine, well about him being hot. He reminds me of the black guy from The Boondocks that has one eye bigger than the other.
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NGE1113



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:47 am Reply with quote
First, I would say that Eva is in the same boat as Bebop: both series, though solid, have suffered over the years from overexposure, to the point where some have taken a 'meh' attitude towards these series. Now on to the topic at hand...

Underrated
Now and Then, Here and There
I'm a little surprised no one picked up on this. I'll admit I bought this for cheap, but it did impress me. In terms of my taste, good story and character development will outplay flashy animation anytime, and that's exactly what happened here.

Overrated
I'll think about this one. The titles that I've seen that were hyped have proven to be good at least, and I can't logistically bash similarly-hyped titles that I haven't watched.

-EDIT-
Been thinking about this, and at this point, I'll put DBZ in my overrated pile as well.


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CFF_Fan



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:06 am Reply with quote
I agree that 今そこにいる僕 (Ima Soko Ni Iru Boku / Now and Then, Here and There [which by the way is nothing close to the real translation of the title, which would be more like "I who am now there" or "the me that is now there"]) was an excellent series. I'm surprised I haven't heard more about it from other people. I also think that Gunparade March was excellent, and I'm surprised I haven't heard more about it from other people. So, those are my two votes for underrated.

I have to throw my opinion in for DBZ being an overrated series. I just can't understand how anyone older than 14 years of age could enjoy it. Sometimes while watching Bleach I get a shudder during long fights with "drama" and "surprise" and badass dudes becoming even more badass.

Oh, and I want to say that I love FLCL and Excel Saga both.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:52 am Reply with quote
Now and Then, Here and There hasn't come up because it isn't underrated. Its name often comes up in discussions of the best or most emotional series of the past decade. I'd defy anyone to watch it straight through and try to tell me that there's not a lot more to it than your typical anime series.
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Iemander



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:44 pm Reply with quote
Now and Then, Here and There isn't underrated at all imo, everyone who've seen it has been praising it beyond belief. I myself think it's even a little overrated, just a little though, because I do think it's an excellent series.

Overrated:

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children

This movie actually turned out better than I expected, not the trash that I expected it to be. But then again, this film is definitely not the 17th best Japanese animation since the dawn of its creation as the ratings might lead you to believe. The plot is overall very weak, the action scenes look rather well but feel hackey and extremely unreal at other spots as well. And the characters popping in and out for the sake of just being there is extremely annoying.
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NGE1113



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:17 am Reply with quote
Touché, I lose a point for that post about NTHT being underrated. I suspect that post was the combination of sleepless nights during AUSA, plus a one-two punch combination of classes and work the following two days.
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Anthony P



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:38 pm Reply with quote
Iemander wrote:
Overrated:

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children

This movie actually turned out better than I expected, not the trash that I expected it to be. But then again, this film is definitely not the 17th best Japanese animation since the dawn of its creation as the ratings might lead you to believe. The plot is overall very weak, the action scenes look rather well but feel hackey and extremely unreal at other spots as well. And the characters popping in and out for the sake of just being there is extremely annoying.


I was actually expecting it to be better than it was. I was expecting something fairly interesting to happen with the spoiler[Jenova reunion; but lo and behold, Sephiroth returns. Whee.] I was really disappointed in myself for not seeing that coming, but I genuinely believed that some sort of originality would be behind this movie.
Yes, overrated.
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thundastormz



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:04 pm Reply with quote
I'm surprised that no one's really mentioned series like Inuyasha as one of the most overrated animes in a loong time...Sure it's easy to get into from the start, but it drags and the plot goes downhill right around the 20th episode. I always cringe when I see the vast number of fans for this series when there are so many better ones out there.

About Azumanga Daioh, I watched it and it has its good moments. Not the best series out there, but it does do well for a show that doesn't have much plot-wise. Same goes for FLCL. It's random, but it has its moments.

Full Metal Alchemist IS a good series. It's the first good one that I've seen in a while... I don't know how the dubbing of the show went because it hasn't aired in Canada, but I watched it in its entirety and it's lived up to its reputation. Nowhere did I find that it dragged on or had filler episodes and the story was easy to follow, the animation was good. The movie wasn't all that great, but that's another story. eh...to each his/her own.

Kimi Ga Nozumu Eien seems to have a fair number of fans (on some sites), but I can't see the fuss over this series. The romance and drama here isn't all it's cooked up to be. Even the animation is nothing special. I found it dull after the first 2 episodes...

For underrated series, Maison Ikkoku and Kimagure Orange Road don't nearly get as many fans as they deserve. Classics, the both of them. That's what good romance/comedy/drama series should be like Smile
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Ryo Jintai



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:44 pm Reply with quote
Overrated: Trigun. I'm sorry but I never got into the plot or found it interesting at all. Ghost 2: Innocence, graphically awesome as it is, Bateau is leagues below Major Motoko in terms of coolness and and the whole movie confused me. I didn't know if this was a sequel or prequel at times.

Underrated: Outlaw Star got shafted in the transitional purge from the Toonami generation to the [adult swim] generation, which is a shame because it was so awesome. Loveless because of shounen-ai, which would turn away most people wanting to get into it. And with all the love for G-Wing and SEED, tell my why there's not enough credit given to G-Gundam for being just as good as those two?
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ParaParaJMo



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:15 am Reply with quote
I would also add that Hajime no Ippo is a pretty underrated anime. I heard the DVD sales aren't doing that spectaculr. Also interesting that it is ranked 12th (under the title Fighting Spirit) in best animes on this site. I say this is the best manga ever. I would also rate it as most underrated anime video game with the American PS2 release, Victorious Boxers. Beats the crap out of Fight Night.
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Gauss



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:25 pm Reply with quote
Boomer wrote:

2. Macross II

Sure, if you like unintentional comedy (that overblown speech about the duties of reporters still cracks me up).

Over-rated:

Dragon Half is frequently described as hysterically funny. Personally I can't see why constant changes between superdeformed, halfdeformed and normal mode is supposed to be so funny. The jokes were on the whole lame with only a few inspired moments of zaniness.

The first half of Grave of the Fireflies was great, the second half just one long boring wait for the inevitable. Yes, it is boring when you simply can't sympathize with the protagonist.

Maison Ikkoku is an average show. Great animation, so-so music and a story that not just drags on but also fails to convincingly show why Kyoko should be attracted to Godai (beyond the story requiring them to eventually hitch up). The manga is so much better.

Rurouni Kenshin's TV adaptation was kiddified to the point of annoyance. I stayed with the show until Kenshin held one of his speeches that sounded cool in the manga but just came out hollow in the TV show (not the seiyuu's fault, the script simply failed to build up the proper mood for its delivery).


Under-rated:
Oh boy, is this difficult. I check anime reviews before taking the plunge so it's very rare for me to come across something that is (significantly) under-rated. Hrrmm...

Re: Cutie Honey is definitely underhyped, and for all I know under-rated. I wouldn't know since I barely hear anything about it. It's a great take on the original, with the zaniness level increased a notch.

Some people file Ayane's High Kick under "Derivative Crud" but I think it's quite likeable despite it's unoriginality. Still, it's nowhere near masterpiece levels.
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TestamentSaki



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:40 pm Reply with quote
Overrated:

DBZ- I just don't know what in the world this series has. I've never liked it. Shallow characters, shallow plot, even shallow music (It was always based on the OP). All my friends loved it, but I always thought of it as not good at all...

Saint Seiya- Good story, I acknowledge that, but spoiler[the guys are supposed to be between 13 and 15 years old] and they DON'T!! They look like my age!!! Besides, Saori never does a big deal. She's always "sacrificing her life", but in the end she's doing nothing. And besides I hate the Spanish Dub!!!

Sailor Moon- Nothing personal, but I don't really like shojo series. I mean, what's up with a crybaby? I sometimes wished I was a SM character just to go there and give Usagi a real reason to cry Confused

The Mon Series (Pokémon, Digimon, Monster Rancher)- Erm... They almost always have the same theme: monsters. The only one I find reasonably decent is Digimon (nice original OP and ED), but out of that, I think it's time to make something more original. Besides they're endless... Sheesh.

UNDERRATED

NightWalker- It may be kinda short, but the story is enthralling (sorry, don't remember the real term), and the turn of events there are give the series a really great sense. Besides, Shido is sooooo handsome *.*

FLCL- To all of you people against FLCL, here talks a real FuriKuri fan. Nonsense there is, but I can't help but laugh my head off, even if it's the 64th time I see it. Short as it is, it really summarizes everything, and though there are many mysteries left after Furi Kiri (Last chapter), that makes the series even wilder. Besides, where can you see a pink-haired alien do soooo many crazy things in just one chapter? Oh, I almost forgot: The OST is great.

Captain Tsubasa- Known in North America as Flash Kicker... Guys, this series has the most straightforward message of all: Sports are good for you. I know the 1st series was eternal, but I admit that the japanese creators in that time didn't know how to work the suspense. Nonetheless, I could (and can Wink) stay all the time just seeing how lil' Tsu scored a goal, and I can still scream like mad whenever Genzo cathces the ball. I always recommend it, 'coz Soccer is the King of Sports! Anime catgrin

Greetings!
PS: I'll think of other underrated series later. I'm too tired to think
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Siilent



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:31 am Reply with quote
Wow. I think everything I've ever seen has been brought up here except Fruits Basket (a still-remaining favourite).

I fail to see why Naruto is such a failure. It, along with Fruits Basket, is my current favourite anime because of its unique ideas, variety of individual characters, atmosphere, plot, and fair share of surprises. True, it's sometimes easy to guess where a fight is headed, or what's really happening in a battle, but at other times my jaw just drops at the clever nature of these fight scenes that just make you feel the need to never blink.

The character development is visible and for once, IMO, there are mounds of fans because it's actually good.

I don't think I'd ever call such a fantastic series over-rated.

DBZ is probably the worst anime I've had the misfortune to see. I watched it when I was around 10, and the only thing that kept me watching was the cliffhangers. I didn't care about the plot, and the whole time I was shaking my head at how gross-looking these characters were. Now, it's still on my TV and I'm up and ready to change the channel. The fandom of this series is a think I'll never understand.

Final Fantasy Advent Children is probably one of my favourite movies. Perhaps even my single favourite.

I say this, even when I went into the movie having no clue who Cloud was, no idea what his past involved, no knowledge of any characters, nothing. But I still understood a few things, getting the basic idea. If FF-AC was so fantastic in my eyes, even though I still don't know what the general deal was with any of the events occuring, I'd love to see it with actual /knowledge/ of what everyone was doing, what Genova and Sephiroth meant to the characters. It must be twice as good as I think it is now. And that's pretty darn close to a masterpiece.

I do, of course, respect the oppinions of everyone here. If it was unsatisfying to you, then I offer sympathies and am finding myself curious as to a possible title of the anime that exceeds Advent Children.

Azumanga Daioh: I'll be honest here, until the sixth episode, it took quite a while for me to sink into the mood of this show. It bored me because I didn't appreciate the humour and feel of the show yet, but now (I haven't even finished, only at nine) I really do adore it. It's charming, witty, and just satisfying to watch. Something that really makes me appreciate real-life friendship. This series gives 'slice-of-life' a whole new meaning for its realistic, yet completely insane nature.

I find DNAngel a little overrated. I'm not sure how it goes over with the general mass population of anime fans, but where ever I go on the web, it's all over the place. People are talking about it left and right, and even my two friends bothered to finish. It's alright in the beginning, but then it just gets irritating. I don't want to spend my hours watching a young boy cry for his pet, stranded helplessly up high, in a storm. Oh, but look, annoying girl #2 is here to save the...damsel in distress?

It just turns a little childish and weak. Krad and Hiwatari-kun were the only interesting characters in there, save for (maybe) Dark near the beginning. Of course, he was a typical character who lacked originality. The flow of the story was boring, and sooner or later I just gave up.

Well, the answers here have certainly been interesting. I'd add Monster Rancher to the underrated list, but only because I remember really loving it when I was 7-10, and I don't think I was quite the critic enough to notice the flaws in the plot. It got cut off the air here, so I'll never know it again.

-Sii.[/spoiler]
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:48 am Reply with quote
Are you talking about the scene where Dennis Lone chimes in from behind and says "Bulls**t!" after Hibiki finishes his speech? Yes that scene was funny, but it did not set the tone for the entire movie. I guess you missed the emotional tension among Lady Ishtar, Sylvie and Hibiki or how the Marduk, as an entirely new breed of alien, injected some much-needed vitality into a franchise that was growing tired and stale.

Mind you, my favorite Macross show is and will always be Macross Plus, but I liked Macross II more than DYRL, a beloved "classic" that amounts to no more than an inaccurate rehash of the original series, albeit with better animation.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:25 am Reply with quote
TestamentSaki wrote:


The Mon Series (Pokémon, Digimon, Monster Rancher)- Erm... They almost always have the same theme: monsters. The only one I find reasonably decent is Digimon (nice original OP and ED), but out of that, I think it's time to make something more original. Besides they're endless... Sheesh.


I'm not sure about the other two, but Digimon (which I rather enjoy) is not endless. There are four seasons of it, two of which stand completely on their own, Tamers and Frontier (which I don't really care for, but whatever). That's hardly what I would call endless, since at best you have two seasons of the same storyline.
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