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EP. REVIEW: The Apothecary Diaries


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Vs7



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 pm Reply with quote
Nojay wrote:

Saying that I'm pretty sure that Jinshi could have rigged the tests or bribed the right people if he had really wanted to, and it's clear he has leverage with his drinking buddy, The Boss, who could simply issue an edict making our chaos gremlin a fully-fledged official in the rear palace if he asked for it.


In rear palace, probably. But Jinshi wants her to work in outer palace, and the Boss showing favoritism to some no name girl will be noticed and have consequences
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You know, the court ladies' questions about why this scrawny rando gets to work under their Jinshi-sama could be given some pretty good answers if anyone wanted:

"He knew her as a lady-in-waiting in the inner palace. She was the one who uncovered that recent plot against the Virtuous Consort's life. That was after she saved the princess's life and nursed the Wise Consort back to health from the brink of death."
"…Um. Is she the daughter of someone important?"
"She normally works in brothels."

(Oh and he knows she's not going to try to get him to wear underwear made from her own hair what is wrong with this guy's fangirls.)

Electric Wooloo wrote:
But what does the Xiaomao nickname than Gaoshun gave her (and apparently has spread) mean?
Is Xiao a diminutive in Chinese perhaps?


Like Azure Chrysanthemum said, 小/xiǎo = small (same as "shougaku" for "elementary school" in Japanese), just as 猫/māo = cat. And if you look back at episode 1, Gyokuyou called her daughter Lingli "Xiaoling" a couple times. Same sort of thing.

One oddity about this setting is that some characters have names with Mandarin pronunciations, and others have names based on the on'yomi readings those characters took on in Japanese (some only very distantly related to the Chinese version). Gyokuyou is a case of the latter -- her name means "jeweled leaf", and would be read "Yùyè" in Mandarin. And the "haku" in Lihaku is the same character as the "pai" in Pairin, 白/bái/white.

(As a tangent, Pairin's "rin" is the same as Lingli's "ling", so that's just inconsistent translation. Same as the official LN translation, though the manga's goes with "Pai Ling".)
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Vs7



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:59 pm Reply with quote
Shay Guy wrote:

One oddity about this setting is that some characters have names with Mandarin pronunciations, and others have names based on the on'yomi readings those characters took on in Japanese (some only very distantly related to the Chinese version). Gyokuyou is a case of the latter -- her name means "jeweled leaf", and would be read "Yùyè" in Mandarin. And the "haku" in Lihaku is the same character as the "pai" in Pairin, 白/bái/white.


Not sure about Lihaku , but Gyokuyou is mentioned to be a foreigner, iirc. So she might be from in-universe equivalent of Japan
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:07 pm Reply with quote
Vs7 wrote:
Shay Guy wrote:

One oddity about this setting is that some characters have names with Mandarin pronunciations, and others have names based on the on'yomi readings those characters took on in Japanese (some only very distantly related to the Chinese version). Gyokuyou is a case of the latter -- her name means "jeweled leaf", and would be read "Yùyè" in Mandarin. And the "haku" in Lihaku is the same character as the "pai" in Pairin, 白/bái/white.


Not sure about Lihaku , but Gyokuyou is mentioned to be a foreigner, iirc. So she might be from in-universe equivalent of Japan


From what we know now, Gyokuyou is definitely not Japanese. She's from the west, the manga fills in a few more details that I think the Anime may have brushed over.

spoiler[Functionally she's from a desert-based trading community. She's very light-skinned and doesn't use the white face paint, which puts her likely as light-skinned Arab or possibly having some European descent since there does seem to be an Ottoman Empire allegory in this setting which did stretch from Eastern Europe to the middle east and included parts of Ukraine where people would be much more light skinned and fair-haired. She is described as having red hair and green eyes which almost implies a Celtic descent and wouldn't necessarily be out of place given the general intermingling in the area she's stated to come from.]
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:45 pm Reply with quote
Gamen wrote:
Electric Wooloo wrote:
Ok, someone has to spoil me on the "hair underwear" thing
Just, why? Who?
Was it Suiren to scare off aides she didn't see as good enough?
The Administrative assistants out of jealousy?
I highly doubt it was Jinshi himself but that scene took me by surprise


I think you're looking in the wrong direction; that was underwear made for a man. I.e. made for Jinshi by a lovestruck girl.


That... makes WAY more sense Laughing
I shouldn't watch these when tired
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Azure Chrysanthemum wrote:


From what we know now, Gyokuyou is definitely not Japanese. She's from the west, the manga fills in a few more details that I think the Anime may have brushed over.

spoiler[Functionally she's from a desert-based trading community. She's very light-skinned and doesn't use the white face paint, which puts her likely as light-skinned Arab or possibly having some European descent since there does seem to be an Ottoman Empire allegory in this setting which did stretch from Eastern Europe to the middle east and included parts of Ukraine where people would be much more light skinned and fair-haired. She is described as having red hair and green eyes which almost implies a Celtic descent and wouldn't necessarily be out of place given the general intermingling in the area she's stated to come from.]


spoiler[ At the start of episode 3 one of her attendants calls her home the "Western Capital" and the conversation in general gave the impression of them talking about 2 cities in the same empire. So I'd imagine the area is meant to be the Taklamakan or Gobi Deserts]
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:35 pm Reply with quote
Vs7 wrote:

Not sure about Lihaku , but Gyokuyou is mentioned to be a foreigner, iirc. So she might be from in-universe equivalent of Japan


She's also described as having red hair and jade-colored eyes, so I suspect she's from the far west.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:45 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, it's quite possible that it's deliberately "exotic" with Gyokuyou (the east/west thing making for a fun reversal with Japan and China's geography), but it's less likely to be the case with Lihaku, or Fuyou the dancing concubine -- her name is written 芙蓉, "cotton rose", which is pronounced "fuyou" in Japanese and "fúróng" in Mandarin.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:57 pm Reply with quote
A week was definitely too long, so great to see it come back with a good episode. I was worried that the change in venue would mean we wouldn't be dealing with any more mysteries, but the next episode preview seems to get rid of that notion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:48 pm Reply with quote
New OP! While I'll miss Maomao seducing me with her dancing, this one definitely teased the plot of the second half more (and is a treasure trove for novel readers). Also Lihaku absurd muscles and Pairin absurd boobs.

Also that was a nice Jinshi ED and also a surprisingly romantic one at that. Just couldn't resist a shot of him shirtless next to a windowsill, huh?

The rare moment between Jinshi and the Emperor. Considering what we know about their familial ties, and their possible real family ties, there were several layers in that conversation.

Jinshi is continually stunned speechless by Maomao's beauty when she gets dolled up but finally realizes that she needs her freckles less she garner more (male) attention.

Suiren reminds me of Yurie from My Happy Marriage. I assume she's been taking care of Jinshi since he was a kid. And she approves of Maomao!

Jinshi's plan to make Maomao a court lady so it would be easier to woo her was pretty much doomed to fail. Gaoshun probably realized that early on.

Maomao still has to ward off ladies who think she doesn't deserve to be there but Kaori Nazuka seems focused on her for an entirely different reason. Also monocle dude.
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AspiringShoulder



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:19 pm Reply with quote
By the way, in case anyone's interested, I made a spreadsheet comparing Chinese vs. Japanese pronunciations for Apothecary.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NK5XSwMNrbOEhnUcF8Grfh_nVkIPszqFnAUr1jczI18/edit?usp=sharing
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Shay Guy



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:33 pm Reply with quote
AspiringShoulder wrote:
By the way, in case anyone's interested, I made a spreadsheet comparing Chinese vs. Japanese pronunciations for Apothecary.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NK5XSwMNrbOEhnUcF8Grfh_nVkIPszqFnAUr1jczI18/edit?usp=sharing


With lots of material from much later in the novels, it should be added.

Also, this is my 2,000th post here. Not what I'd have picked for the milestone, but, woo.
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InfiniteNothingness



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:24 pm Reply with quote
AspiringShoulder wrote:
By the way, in case anyone's interested, I made a spreadsheet comparing Chinese vs. Japanese pronunciations for Apothecary.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NK5XSwMNrbOEhnUcF8Grfh_nVkIPszqFnAUr1jczI18/edit?usp=sharing

Hey, this is pretty neat. Thanks for sharing.

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Hilariously, his name is the modern Chinese word for blogging. No, I'm not joking.

This is pretty quality on Hyūga Natsu's part.
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SHD



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:40 pm Reply with quote
So last time I mentioned my dissatisfaction with the trope of Maomao being actually beautiful I was told that she wasn't supposed to be beautiful and people weren't gawking at her for being beautiful... and yet in this episode we have people not only gawking but actually commenting on how beautiful she is. Maybe in the LN it's established that she's not really all that pretty, but it seems the anime has its own vision, and here she's supposed to be really beautiful without her freckles and being all dolled up. Honestly I'm still not fond of it.

Another thing I'm not fond of either is the show's tendency to use the Not Like Those Stupid Girls trope to elevate Maomao. I really dislike that trope, and I wasn't happy to see it in this episode, multiple times. I mean, yes, I get it, she's special, but there are ways to show that without leaning into the "she's superior to other women because she's not fawning over the hot guy/she's hiding her natural beauty/she's not into silly things/etc" angle.

Anyway, all this aside, the show continues to be a pleasant watch. Clearly her lineage (as well as Jinshi's) is going to be one of the main mysteries in the second cour, and I wonder if it's going to be tied into a larger plot involving the new characters, or if it'll remain as just a character background. Personally, I'm sure she's actually the daughter of someone important, and Jinshi is clearly not an eunuch and is related to the emperor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:29 pm Reply with quote
I'm honestly surprised that the novels are so dense that it took twelve episodes to cover the events of the first novel. That by itself would make me interested in checking out the series. But the fact that the story is so damned good, makes me even more interested in reading the novels.
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