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KanjiiZ
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I'm not saying generic shonen shows aren't fun, I'm just saying people shouldn't regard it as some great work in animation.
I mean, there is no way that there was a war going on and there was not even a mention of anyone dying. |
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The King of Harts
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spoiler[All the Air Nomads were wiped out The Fire Nation had deadly raids Katara and Sokka's mom was killed in one of said raids Iroh's son was killed Zuko's mom assassinated the former Fire King Sozin killed Roku so he could start the war] Not to mention there'sspoiler[ tons of talk of Prisoners of War. It's almost WW2 style when you consider most POWS were thrown in jail simply because they could bend and were potential threats to Ozai, not because they were spies or broke laws. It should also be mentioned that not all benders were warriors, some were just born with the powers] Are those enough deaths for you? |
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KanjiiZ
Posts: 661 Location: Central Coast |
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Note most of those are implied, suggested or whatever you want to call it. The show beat around the bush way too much. Also, how did Aang go around throughout the whole show and not eventually have to kill someone? I'm aware that it's a cartoon, but even that is a huge leap in logic for him to never have to kill anyone when a war is going on.
It might sound like I wanted violence and death in a show where it just wasn't around but it would have been nice if Aang wasn't your stereotypical American "perfect" character. Aang's only flaw was he cared too much. What type of flaw is that? |
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zhir
 Posts: 353 Location: Nampa, ID, USA |
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While the ending of the show irritated me as well spoiler[turtle ex machina], I wouldn't say that Aang doesn't have any flaws. He's too carefree and isn't concerned enough about other people's safety. spoiler[Remember when he burned Katara?] He also spent that whole episode spoiler[hiding where Soka and Katara's father was, because he was afraid of them leaving him.][/spoiler] Last edited by zhir on Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:14 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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TatsuGero23
 Posts: 1277 Location: Sniper Island, USA (It's in your heart!) |
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Actually they aren't implied. They actually used words likespoiler[ "killed", "died", "wiped out", and "dead" etc]. Words not normally used in, sometimes not allowed to be said, in kids shows. Think there is even a part during a flashback where spoiler[a young Aluza is telling a young Zuko "Dad is gonna kill you. Dad is gonna kill you."] If I remember it correctly. And they point out things like spoiler["Left me to die."] There are probably only 2 ispoiler[mplied deaths] in the series. spoiler[Admiral Zhao's and that one bandit kid that they actually joke about in a later episode on whether or not he actually died].
And Aang was far from a perfect character. He was selfish (always wanted to play and didn't want to be the avatar), childish (always playing and rans away a few times), indecisive, impatient, sometimes over confident, and occasionally lets things go to his head. Last edited by TatsuGero23 on Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:19 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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zhir
Posts: 353 Location: Nampa, ID, USA |
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By implied, I think he meant killed off screen.
I would like to note that there was an entire episode of spoiler[His past lives telling him to man up and kill Ozai before he magically didn't have to.] |
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TatsuGero23
Posts: 1277 Location: Sniper Island, USA (It's in your heart!) |
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But that's not implying and not how shows imply spoiler[death]. When they often imply, the use words like spoiler["gone" or "no more" or "no longer here" or "I'll finish you!" or "I'll destroy you!"] etc etc. They walk around the words so to speak. I think that's what he was thinking of, which is a very common practice in US action series amongst other things and safe to just assume.
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bleachj0j
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How much of the show have you watched. It's already been said but they never really implied death. Except Jet. They showed the skeltons of the air nomads. Also Aang had alot more flaws. And of course he didn't kill anyone, he was monk, he never wanted to kill. |
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zhir
Posts: 353 Location: Nampa, ID, USA |
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I wasn't saying that he was using the word correctly. He said he wasn't sure imply was the correct word when he first said it. |
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LeanGreen
 Posts: 323 Location: New England |
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I think the fact of the matter was the creators did the best they could to incorporate death into a warlike setting when the timeslot and channel were very kid-oriented. I mean, let's face it; the show was for kids and the network didn't want death to be a part of it. If you listened to the recent ANN Cast with the interview with one of the 4kids reps, he mentions all the different things that the networks would absolutely not run, one of them being death, obviously. Think about Samurai Jack, for example; the creator had Jack fighting robots which spurted oil instead of people with blood for a violent aspect of the show and to portray the violence of the setting while still being what the network considered 'age-appropriate'. Even if the creators are going for a more mature feel for their show, the truth is that it still has to be kid-friendly, or at least what Nickelodeon decides is kid-friendly. In that aspect, I don't think the creators have the final word. |
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Agent355
 Posts: 5113 Location: Crackberry in hand, thumbs at the ready... |
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The creators pretty much made fun of this themselves in the episode "Ember Island Players," with a great line:
Toph: "Did Jet die?" Sokka: "You know, that wasn't really clear." 
The commentaries further drive home the point that Jet is dead, Nickelodeon just demanded that his death be ambiguous. As for Aang: he was raised as a monk and specialized in a Kung-Fu style that is known for evasive techniques. He basically avoids everything (from whole battles, to wounding enemies, to facing up to his mistakes). It's a noted characteristic. He runs away quite a lot (sometimes for strategic reasons, but it's his most noted flaw, and what led to 100 years in ice to begin with!). Other characters have no problem with the idea of killing an enemy. The creator's intent is that they would if they had to, and that's made crystal clear through the characters' actions and dialog (Zuko would never run from a fight!) It's funny that we're talking about how "kid-friendly" Avatar is. Just recently a friend of mine saw me watching the show during one of its more violent scenes and said "I really don't think this show is for children." LOL! Which brings me to Korra. The creators said it'll be darker, and my first thought was "How?" Korra will not deal with world war and wholesale genocide. Will it have gang violence and prostitution? (Try getting the latter past Nick's censors!!!) Will it even be rated PG? |
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TatsuGero23
Posts: 1277 Location: Sniper Island, USA (It's in your heart!) |
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I'm thinking darker as it won't have the same air as the original series did and literally a darker color palette set and a darker, bit more serious mood. It'll still have jokes and what not, but Aang often kept the series feeling light and child-like but this time around we have a teen. Theme-wise? Hard to say. On the people side it could dive into things like discrimination or post-war tension or political corruption. I think that's the only thing left. Otherwise it might be more spirit world related and some unbalance taking place since that was never really focused on the original series. Since the Avatar is suppose to be the bring between the two worlds.
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countchocula86
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Hmmm I suppose I never really thought of it that way, every shonen show is basically just a rehash of Joan of Arc!
I think perhaps something was lost on you. The role of the Avatar is to maintain a fluid kind of peace. However, when Roku died and Aang was lost, that peace was lost and a war began. Which means that when the Avatar was lost, thats when war started. War is a product of a peace-less world. Enter Aang. Whose goal is to restore balance. You cant restore balance by just killing everyone; that would simply perpetuate war and a sense of hostility. This is further compounded by Aang being an Air Nomad and shown to revere all life. So to put it simply, killing is what causes war. Peace is brought about by a reverence for life. ------- As for the new show, I hope it does well. Im trying not to have any expectations because I want to enjoy it for what it is; a new show set in an incredible world. Trying to link it too much to its predecessor wont be helpful. |
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Agent355
Posts: 5113 Location: Crackberry in hand, thumbs at the ready... |
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There is also the "anti-bender revolt," which is a long time coming, when I think about it. A:TLA didn't focus on the tension that much, but non-benders (like Sokka) were often shifted to the side in favor of benders. The major cities ran on bending abilities (the Ba Sing Se monorail, the Northern Water Tribe's Capitol City set-up, etc). Non-Benders were not as essential in the world, but modern technology and chi-blocking battle techniques (remember when chi-blocking specialist Ty Lee joined the non-bending Kyoshi warriors? How will that knowledge spread over 70 years?
 ) will certainly level the playing field and tensions will runneth over!
In other news: Bryke annouced @ CCSD that Korra will be a mini series lasting only 12 eps. As an anime fan, I know that good things can come in small packages (Baccano!), but as an Avatar fan, I loved the filler!!! Would you believe me if I told you that "The Beach" and "The Headband" are two of my favorite episodes? I hope the 12 ep decision was the creators' and not a limitation set by Nick. |
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sirkoala13
 Posts: 134 Location: Muscle Tower, U.S. |
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Getting excited about this series. What I'm wondering about now is what the next generation Zuko or Sokka will be like, not that thew characters have to be limited to being just newer looking cutouts of the one from the first series. Btw, I think there was another season after Fire, but I can't remember the name. Anyone know what it's called or where to get it?
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