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HitokiriShadow



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:30 am Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
Fencedude5609 wrote:
Episode 14 was one of the absolute worst episodes of anything I've ever watched, AND I JUST FINISHED ALL OF GUNDAM AGE.


My goodness, all of Gundam AGE? Why would you do that to yourself? You probably lost a year off your lifespan, maybe two (the finale was particularly awful, so I hear).


As someone who did the same thing.... partly because hardcore Gundam fan. But even that wouldn't have kept me through the whole thing. It was some of the particular ways it was terrible that compelled me to see it to the end. Namely, it was really misogynist (and the writer pretty much just came out and said "YES, I'M A MISOGYNIST PRICK" in a NewType inverview") and I needed to see precisely what all it did. It's utter failure with one particular (sorry excuse for a) "character arc" was particularly "impressive".

And yes, the finale was pretty damn terrible on a number of levels.
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Etrien



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:05 am Reply with quote
Man, you guys are watching Total Eclipse for the same reason I'm still watching Sword Art Online. The moe is inconsequential, the Gary Stu-isms are arguably justified, but the horrible writing just kills it for me. It has some fun concepts, but absolutely terrible development and execution. I guess I was still hoping it will somehow get better, but since the show suddenly decided it wanted to become an spoiler[....imouto....] show, I should probably consider those hopes crushed.


But regarding the influx of shoujo shows, I noticed several years ago that with the younger generations (junior high, high school), it seemed like female anime fans were starting to outnumber the males by a significant margin. And, specifically, the fujoshi brand of fans. So, I've kind of been expecting to see this sort of shift in anime as they grow into the industry's customer base. If the younger generations and current doujin markets* are anything to go by, we'll probably continue to see things shift - possibly even until the fujoshi-targeted anime outnumber their male otaku counterparts.


*Events like comiket have become notoriously fujoshi-dominated as of late. At a similar doujinshi event in my city, the girls outnumber the boys at a ratio of nearly 9 to 1.
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Tanteikingdomkey



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:06 am Reply with quote
I would love LOVE LOVE a remake of kindachi shonen no jikembo (kindaichi case files) it is closer to later 1990 but it is about 180-190 (I think 186) and honestly it still goes to fast in many places in compression to the manga. and on every major anniversary we seems to get a live action tv show (there are three of them) or we get two ovas (like we will be getting this christmas).

I would also say I would love a case closed/detective conan kei however they have already been doing that to an extent with reanimating older episodes, instead of doing episode 250 of episodes of anime filler, when they generally stopped being good/ok after episode 110.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:22 am Reply with quote
Etrien wrote:
If the younger generations and current doujin markets* are anything to go by, we'll probably continue to see things shift - possibly even until the fujoshi-targeted anime outnumber their male otaku counterparts.
When this happens can I start telling people who complain about it, "Too bad, that's what anime is, if you don't like it pick another hobby"?

Snarky comment aside, I don't want to see a straight-up flip-flop either. The dull reverse-harem shows are only barely slightly more interesting to me than the male-oriented ones (i.e. not at all). If it brings us more stuff like Tiger & Bunny though, I'm all for it.
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Etrien



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:28 am Reply with quote
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When this happens can I start telling people who complain about it, "Too bad, that's what anime is, if you don't like it pick another hobby"?

It's certainly fair enough. Anime is what it is, and it changes with the times. To me, fujoshi anime and otaku anime are two vaguely different shades of the exact same thing. The kinds of shows I prefer will probably always remain in the minority.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:31 am Reply with quote
Etrien wrote:
poonk wrote:
When this happens can I start telling people who complain about it, "Too bad, that's what anime is, if you don't like it pick another hobby"?

It's certainly fair enough. Anime is what it is, and it changes with the times. To me, fujoshi anime and otaku anime are two vaguely different shades of the exact same thing. The kinds of shows I prefer will probably always remain in the minority.
mine are in the minority of the minority sometimes I swear. retro mystery anime, ya I'm kinda screwed.
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maaya



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:20 am Reply with quote
Etrien wrote:
But regarding the influx of shoujo shows(...) it seemed like female anime fans were starting to outnumber the males by a significant margin. And, specifically, the fujoshi brand of fans.(...)


Mmh, I'd appreciate more shojo animes (or josei), but I can definitely do without getting even more fujoshi shows in addition to all the other otaku series ... but well, since fujoshi sells, and shojo does not.

It's indeed rare to have 3 shojo series (and 2 of them more mature ones) in the same season, but I don't think it's a trend. Since My Little Monster and Say "I Love You" run in the same magazine, it's maybe not a coincidence that they get their animes at the same time.

Fencedude5609 wrote:
Anyway, the reason to not watch SAO isn't because of the moe, its because its terribly written.


a simple truth.


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Tanteikingdomkey



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:25 am Reply with quote
OH my gosh from the new world episode 4 just exploded, and showed what the series can do when it flexes it's muscles. I mouth was on the floor for well over half the episode. in though you some some of the turns coming. it's so nice to have a show that has the same capabilities as beast player erin but only for older teen and adults only. some of the stuff in episode 4 makes a lot of sense and so does all the flash backs at the beginning of episodes 1-3 but man some of that stuff is really twisted. clapping for over three days straight, you mind not have any skin left at that point.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:47 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Forgot to mention this as a programming note: Revenge of the 00s parts 1 & 2 will now be our Holiday Special episodes. So you'll get it over Christmas.

Everyone involved is asking for more time. We knew this was going to be the most intensive episode when it comes to rewatching and revisiting and discovering, and the participants are all happy to have more time. Myself included! Though I do apologize for the delays. These shows are immensely rewarding but also immensely time consuming to produce.

I'll be interested to hear who you get as guests for this one. While something like the 80's show clearly called for guests who were either older or who specialized in seeking out the old stuff (I think you had Mike Toole and Daryl Surat, respectively?), the 00's are sort of the default for the common anime fan today, someone in their teens or 20's, for whom Cowboy Bebop is old school.

Is there such thing as an 00's specialist, and is it so recent that fans are going to have big preferences for the latter part of the decade to the former? (cue the debate between FMA and Brotherhood) The other thing that's going to color this list is the switch to HD coming partway through this decade: are 2001-vintage SD shows at an automatic disadvantage because they're technologically dated?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:41 am Reply with quote
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I'm surprised that someone who appreciates prose, like Rebecca, has no problems with SAO's writing, specifically the romantic development between the leads. I wish she could clarify what she means by she's tired of hearing the complaints about Asuna, really.


Oh, I have problems with it - I absolutely agree that the show is terribly written. I enjoy watching it in the same way that I enjoy reading a Forgotten Realms novel or a schlocky romance: for a brain break. But as a reformed WoW player, not to mention someone who spent an awful lot of time walking into closets and wardrobes as a child, I appreciate the fantasy aspects of it, the "what if" element, if that makes sense. Watching it is like eating candy, which is a large part of the reason why I'm not battling Theron to review it. Laughing

As for the Asuna thing, I'm just tired of people complaining that she's useless or Kirito's pet. I've actually been fairly pleased with the way they've fought together and how she pulls her weight. The romance plot is fairly lame (at least in the first half), and I'm not thrilled that she's the one who mastered cooking (as opposed to one of the guys), but she's a far cry from the female lead of Sakurasou.

All of this said, I do have some reservations about where the new story arc is going...spoiler[Asuna in a cage and the sister both make me a bit leery.]
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:05 am Reply with quote
invalidname wrote:
Is there such thing as an 00's specialist, and is it so recent that fans are going to have big preferences for the latter part of the decade to the former? (cue the debate between FMA and Brotherhood)

That will be curious to see, won't it? But who says either version of FMA would necessarily make the cut? I wouldn't put either in my Top Ten for the decade.

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The other thing that's going to color this list is the switch to HD coming partway through this decade: are 2001-vintage SD shows at an automatic disadvantage because they're technologically dated?

I don't see that having any impact, as visual recording quality is never a factor in a movie or title's overall quality.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:16 am Reply with quote
invalidname wrote:
The other thing that's going to color this list is the switch to HD coming partway through this decade: are 2001-vintage SD shows at an automatic disadvantage because they're technologically dated?
That would be true of many fan lists (I've seen several people say they won't watch shows from back that far), but a panel of critics aren't going to worry about that.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:52 pm Reply with quote
To hate or not to hate on Sword Art Online? That is the question.

I disagree with Theron and Rebecca on their views on SAO. I fail too see any serious social commentary, deep questions about life and death, marriage. If you see any deep philosophical shit in SAO, you are over reaching or are too much of a fanboy/girl.

Like I have said before, I do not hate SAO. In fact I want it to become a great and memorable series. SAO has tons of potential, but its writing is too inconsistent, and the otaku pandering can be tiresome (although, I did like the imuoto/cousin/siscon angle).

I actually agree that SAO could be marketable outside hardcore anime fandom, but good luck on that with Aniplex USA pricing.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:00 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:


My goodness, all of Gundam AGE? Why would you do that to yourself? You probably lost a year off your lifespan, maybe two (the finale was particularly awful, so I hear).


The last story arc is really terrible. They spend the first two Gen's making the villians complete monsters, only to show a horrible HORRIBLE understanding arc in the form of Second Moon.

Still not as bad as Destiny shafting Shinn as main character for Kira though, IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:13 pm Reply with quote
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To hate or not to hate on Sword Art Online? That is the question.

I disagree with Theron and Rebecca on their views on SAO. I fail too see any serious social commentary, deep questions about life and death, marriage. If you see any deep philosophical **** in SAO, you are over reaching or are too much of a fanboy/girl.

When did "serious social commentary" or "deep philosophical doo-doo" ever come up in that discussion?
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