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I don't really think loudly arguing in the face of obvious reality is necessary. These characters are very typical moe types; they look like young adolescents and behave like children.

Enough to be completely fluent in the English language no less. I would not expect a normal Japanese child to be fluent in English.

Megiddo wrote:

SakechanBD wrote: Btw, are you implying that all bilingual children somehow aren't children? What sort of idiotic statement is that? I used the term "average Japanese child" and the language "English" for a reason. Because there aren't many children in Japan that can fluently speak English.

I was just being a dick to see how you'd respond. Because I thought your original comment was a terrible excuse as to why Kotomi wasn't childish.

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And honestly, what makes you think Kotomi looks like a child?

Really? Really?

-pic- of Japanese pre-teen

You dunce. Just because anime characters don't look like real-life humans doesn't mean they can't resemble a caricature of a human.

Kotomi looks like an ANIME CHILD.

Look at the way grownups are drawn in anime. Look at the way children are drawn in anime.

Which do Kyou/Tomoyo/Kotomi most resemble? The children.

Show me a 17 year old in real life that looks like Kyou, Tomoyo, or Kotomi. And no, cosplayers do not count.

First off, you did not say that Kotomi was childish, you said that she was a child. Do you honestly not comprehend the difference between those two?

Just curious, why wouldn't cosplayers count? If the age is the only factor, I certainly could show you plenty of 17+ cosplayers who look like them. Why rule them out?

Okay fine, she's childish. Which is the whole purpose of moe shows. Why does it matter if she's 17 if she looks and acts like a child? For all intents and purposes, they are made to be pseudo-children, who are scripted to be 17.

Incidentally, though, this thread has done an amazing job of making the ANN anti-moe/loli bias clearer than I ever thought possible.

There's a hell of a big difference. Really, -really- big difference. I'm absolutely positive I'm opening myself up to staff-snark here, but I get called young-at-heart all the time, and most people online have mistaken me for in my early-to-middle teens in instant chat. I just have a childish personality at times. Hell, even offline I still look young enough to get carded for a 17+ manga or video game.

Incidentally, though, this thread has done an amazing job of making the ANN anti-moe/loli bias clearer than I ever thought possible.

Stating a fact - that these characters are moe archetypes

That I think is what annoys moe fans. That a genre they love and feel is just as valid a genre as any other is equated as something only worthy of being a "guilty pleasure."

Mad_Scientist wrote:

That I think is what annoys moe fans. That a genre they love and feel is just as valid a genre as any other is equated as something only worthy of being a "guilty pleasure."

I think what annoys me most is the generalization of "moe fans" in general. As if everything of this supposed genre is the exact same, and that these "moe fans" eat up everything that comes out.

At the same time, I've expressed my dislike for shows like Shuffle and Sister Princess. I wouldn't dream of lumping all of these shows into the same pile, and I don't think there's a single reviewer at ANN who would do so.