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Joe Mello
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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:12 am
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| penguintruth wrote: | | Censorship of any kind is intolerable. |
I hope you've never tried to tell anyone to shut up.
I still say that people are whining because someone pointed it out, even though it will, in no way, affect people's spending habits.
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joel_s95387
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: California... The Village Hidden In The Porn
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:22 am
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I do think it was a stupid edit. But I think it's stupid how people are responding to this situation. Honestly, I was surprised when someone got half his face chopped off during the Laboratory 5 event. Just something graphic I didn't expect at all considering the previous worst thing was missing limbs and blood coming out when scar killed people.
| Abarenbo Shogun wrote: | I find this completely stupid. If it was good enough for TOKYOPOP to do in Rebirth #11, it's good enough for Viz.
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But is Rebirth a very popular anime adaptation that aired on adult swim AND the #1 book of 2005(? atleast i think there was an article not too long ago wasn't it bookscan or something like that?)
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What does piss me off is typos. I know there is one in the first volume. It just make me feels that the company doesn't care about the manga and don't even bother revising for errors. |
Death Note Volume 6
ungodly ammount of typos  ; |
Damn, I actually read Death Note and stopped at 5 because I ended up picking up FMA 1-9. I'm not looking forward to the typos at all.
| piccolo14217 wrote: | | Sins die on the cross! That's Christianity's belief! |
Wow, I actually never looked at it that way, also cause I didn't find out this was an edit until today.
| Someone_II wrote: | | What I find to be so wierd is that they never used to do this stuff. Back in my days as a SJ reader, I recall a crusifixion in Naruto, yet they edit it here. |
The crusifixion was edited out in the Toonami version, and edits were done on volume 11 of Naruto.... might it be cause it is more popular with kids now?
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msgundam2
Joined: 28 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:44 am
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i just get the fan translted manga off the internet
it not legal and you dont get in a book but you doest have censorship and you get it before it comes out here. you get it free
plez dont censor me ANN
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Godaistudios
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
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Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment)
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:53 am
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| msgundam2 wrote: | | i just get the fan translted manga off the internet
it not legal and you don't get in a book but you doest have censorship and you get it before it comes out here. you get it free
plez don't censor me ANN |
That doesn't support the orignal artist either though - which isn't fair to them if you are enjoying their story. While I can't say I'm perfect in this area either, I do own over a 100 volumes of imported manga, and it's not really any more expensive than buying the domestic releases.
At least that way, if you are reading scanlations, you can feel no guilt because you've supported the artist.
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Jeikobu
Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:56 am
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Normally I'm against edits, but in this case I'll definitely make an exception. I'm very glad Viz made this edit. Having him crucified like that can be easily insulting to Christians, including me.
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Fiction Alchemist
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:03 am
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delete.
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penguintruth
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:10 am
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| Jeikobu wrote: | | Normally I'm against edits, but in this case I'll definitely make an exception. I'm very glad Viz made this edit. Having him crucified like that can be easily insulting to Christians, including me. |
Jeikobu, you're a perfect example of why Viz shouldn't have made that edit.
If seeing Greed crucified on a cross bothers you, too bad. The manga author probably didn't mean to offend any Christian by using that image, but if she did, what's it to you? FMA is full of blasphemous matter. Would you rather everyone only be allowed to read Bible canon rather than whatever they want to read?
If you're offended, don't read it.
Nobody should have to read it with censored parts.
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Abarenbo Shogun
Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:31 am
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| Godaistudios wrote: | |
That all said, Viz hit strike three with the last installment of Midori Days for me (the prior strikes being I''s and Hikaru no Go - but they keep adding fuel to the fire, so I pretty much figure I'm done with them - I may or may not complete some of the titles I started - it is a difficult decision I'm faced with.)
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And thats why someone was smart enough to invent eBay. 
| Dargonxtc wrote: | | Viz should do its homework.
It wasn't a Muslim symbol so I don't see the problem. No one would have been hurt by this. Everyone would have kept there heads.
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By the way, everyone should have a problem with what I said, but strangly people don't. Funny. |
Because most of us aren't "Durka Durka" Idiots that want to blow everything in sight, and I don't mean the sexual kind.
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| Jeikobu wrote: | | Normally I'm against edits, but in this case I'll definitely make an exception. I'm very glad Viz made this edit. Having him crucified like that can be easily insulting to Christians, including me. |
Can you tell us WHY you'd be offended? I mean, if I grabbed some person, and crucified them on a cross, what would offend you: The fact that I did such a thing to a fellow person or that I dared to do it with a cross?
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The fact that you just commited Murder is one thing.
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joel_s95387
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:33 am
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| penguintruth wrote: |
| Jeikobu wrote: | | Normally I'm against edits, but in this case I'll definitely make an exception. I'm very glad Viz made this edit. Having him crucified like that can be easily insulting to Christians, including me. |
Jeikobu, you're a perfect example of why Viz shouldn't have made that edit.
If seeing Greed crucified on a cross bothers you, too bad. The manga author probably didn't mean to offend any Christian by using that image, but if she did, what's it to you? FMA is full of blasphemous matter. Would you rather everyone only be allowed to read Bible canon rather than whatever they want to read?
If you're offended, don't read it.
Nobody should have to read it with censored parts. |
Like you said, "If you're offended, don't read it".
You think VIZ doesn't think the same way you do? "If I print this scene with a guy getting crucified, people will be offended, and then not buy the manga.... F' that, we'll just make it look like a regular wall and no one will be offended and CONTINUE buying the manga".... I'm pretty sure they were thinking something similar to that.
Like people said, would we have all noticed this edit if it wasn't brought up on this site? I know I wouldn't have known.
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DemonEyesLeo
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:37 am
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| joel_s95387 wrote: | | Like people said, would we have all noticed this edit if it wasn't brought up on this site? I know I wouldn't have known. |
Me niether. I went back and looked at the pages in question and I can't see anything that could even suggest an alteration.
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Reno-chan
Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:41 am
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| DemonEyesLeo wrote: |
| joel_s95387 wrote: | | Like people said, would we have all noticed this edit if it wasn't brought up on this site? I know I wouldn't have known. |
Me niether. I went back and looked at the pages in question and I can't see anything that could even suggest an alteration. |
Upon looking at the page the only thing that I could see that even hinted at an edit was that the lines on the block looked less bold and confident than the rest of the art, and were a bit thinner than most of the non-straight lines in the manga.
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Godaistudios
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:41 am
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| Abarenbo Shogun wrote: |
| Godaistudios wrote: | |
That all said, Viz hit strike three with the last installment of Midori Days for me (the prior strikes being I''s and Hikaru no Go - but they keep adding fuel to the fire, so I pretty much figure I'm done with them - I may or may not complete some of the titles I started - it is a difficult decision I'm faced with.)
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And thats why someone was smart enough to invent eBay. |
hmm... yeah, at least I can sell off some of my stuff. As far as buying some titles to complete... well, the problem is that too many of them are of series that are newer and coming out - and to add in the fact that if I do buy a used copy, I know that it was purchased at one point, giving money them anyway - and I'm not comfortable with that either.
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| Dargonxtc wrote: | | Viz should do its homework.
It wasn't a Muslim symbol so I don't see the problem. No one would have been hurt by this. Everyone would have kept there heads.
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By the way, everyone should have a problem with what I said, but strangly people don't. Funny. |
Because most of us aren't "Durka Durka" Idiots that want to blow everything in sight, and I don't mean the sexual kind.
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| Jeikobu wrote: | | Normally I'm against edits, but in this case I'll definitely make an exception. I'm very glad Viz made this edit. Having him crucified like that can be easily insulting to Christians, including me. |
Can you tell us WHY you'd be offended? I mean, if I grabbed some person, and crucified them on a cross, what would offend you: The fact that I did such a thing to a fellow person or that I dared to do it with a cross?
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The fact that you just commited Murder is one thing. |
But then it wouldn't matter what device was used to commit the murder right? - thus showing how it's not really relevant to the topic at hand, but meh...
And might I add that Greed isn't treated as some kind of messiah, so it really shouldn't offend Christians? I mean, if he was characterized as a messiah for the Homonculis, that would be one thing, but him being put up on a cross? It's not like Jesus was the only one to be put on one. Yeesh, from a historical point of view, I see no problem with it being used at all.
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Successful_Troll
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:53 am
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| SannaSK wrote: | | Hey, Viz....
if it's so important that you opiate the fundamentalist masses who would care so much about ONE cross on ONE page in volume seven... you know, those people obviously wouldn't like the REST of the subject matter of this story....
why don't you pay a little more attention to the fans who actually READ your stuff and spend money on it....
-- and invest in a spell checker?
-- and standardize whatever spellings of people/place's names you want to use? (call it Rizemboul or Rizembool or Risenburg... just call it ONE THING. for all your volumes. every amature novelist knows how to make a 'story bible' for important details like character name spellings.)
-- stop mixing up speech bubbles?
one cross is so bad? isn't it bad that two children try to usurp an entire sub-society's laws and bring their mom back from the dead? "What are we teaching our children, that breaking the prime directive before we've hit puberty is worth glorifying and hero-izing? we're teaching them to be hooligans!"
one cross is so evil? How many thousands of people do you think the romans executed on crosses? Jesus wasn't the only one to die like that, you know. Who cares WHAT He died on, the point of that story is THAT He died and came back. which is also echoed in FMA! Greed is a Jesus figure! He's a homunculous! Somebody died, Father (ohh symbology right there!) tried to bring the person back, and bing! There's a Greed! And wouldn't that make the other homunculi distorted-Jesus figures too? ohs nos! how eeeevil!
Viz, if you're worried about people who might take offense at a cross, you are worried about far too little, far too late. Grow up, ignore the idiots who aren't even buying your stuff anyway, and get your OWN act together and fix the stupid problems that the people writing your paychecks (namely, the real fans) actually care about.
.... i seriously ponder cleaning this up and snail mailing them............... *sigh* companies in this for the money alone make me sad... and make me wish i knew enough japanese to go translate and get it RIGHT........ |
This post wins. Anyone that would be offended be the mere presence of a cross in FMA would probably be much more offended by the story.
| Case wrote: | | Is ANYONE really offended by an image of a person tied to a cross in an "obscure black and white comic book" these days?
Madanna live and only Italy complains. But it's too daring a statement for the 8th volume of the FMA manga to do it...
Another good example of how commerce's worst enemy are weak-hearted executives. |
I admit I was disgusted by that. How dare you Italy, how dare you...still pay attention to Madonna.
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MorwenLaicoriel
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:57 am
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Part of it is that the cross is a symbol now. I mean, you wouldn't, say, show a hero wearing a swatzika, right? Why? The swatzika originally comes from Hinduism--the Nazis just took it for their own use. I lived in India for a time, and there was swatzikas *everywhere*. It had nothing to do with the nazis at all, it's part of their religion.
But does that mean I would walk around with a swatzika here in america? No. In America, it symbolises the Nazis--not Hinduism. Someone hanging up on the cross is also a symbol--here, it's a statement that the person is a 'savior'. Is it that way in Japan? No. I've heard that it's more of a symbol of an innocent marytr. But that's not quite how it's taken here.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:58 am
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| joel_s95387 wrote: |
| penguintruth wrote: |
| Jeikobu wrote: | | Normally I'm against edits, but in this case I'll definitely make an exception. I'm very glad Viz made this edit. Having him crucified like that can be easily insulting to Christians, including me. |
Jeikobu, you're a perfect example of why Viz shouldn't have made that edit.
If seeing Greed crucified on a cross bothers you, too bad. The manga author probably didn't mean to offend any Christian by using that image, but if she did, what's it to you? FMA is full of blasphemous matter. Would you rather everyone only be allowed to read Bible canon rather than whatever they want to read?
If you're offended, don't read it.
Nobody should have to read it with censored parts. |
Like you said, "If you're offended, don't read it".
You think VIZ doesn't think the same way you do? "If I print this scene with a guy getting crucified, people will be offended, and then not buy the manga.... F' that, we'll just make it look like a regular wall and no one will be offended and CONTINUE buying the manga".... I'm pretty sure they were thinking something similar to that.
Like people said, would we have all noticed this edit if it wasn't brought up on this site? I know I wouldn't have known. |
Yes, I'm sure all that talk of Ed's about religion being nonesense (which I whole-heartedly agree with) in the first volume was okay for the extremely religious, but ZOMG, a cross!
Viz must be out of their gord if they think that people will be offended by THIS, when there are so many other blasphemous acts in FMA.
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