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Sam.:



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:25 am Reply with quote
Look at the right navigation bar at http://www.animationmagazine.net/ it reads:

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Disney in Lion Suit

Ten years after the release of the animated hit The Lion King, Disney is being sued for the film’s use ...


EDIT: oh wow, thats a suprise yes, they got sued for the song and not for the animation, like i had asumed from reading Animation Magazines headlies. I found the full article here guys. For a second there, i was gettind excited because i thought that they got sued for the animation similarities. Oh well, Americans are good at taking other peoples ideas, thoughts, and creations and making them better. I mean all the good American sci-fi movies..have some kind or Japanese influence.

Well my theory is if the producers of the The Lion King stole a song, its likely the probably stole some of the animation ideas from Kimba too. "Once a stealer always a stealer." I think its only going to be a matter of time before someone sues them for that.

And for those of you who think Lion King is original and has its own animation. Well read these articles below.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:37 am Reply with quote
I'm sure this will pave they way for every culture to sue disney for stealing their folktales.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:57 am Reply with quote
It's for the song "The Lion Sleeps Tonight", not for the Kimba allegations, which I've always thought were exaggerated anyhow.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:50 am Reply with quote
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Well my theory is if the producers of the The Lion King stole a song, its likely the probably stole some of the animation ideas from Kimba too. "Once a stealer always a stealer." I think its only going to be a matter of time before someone sues them for that.


The Kimba thing is absolutely accurate, Matthew Broderick has even publically stated he thought they were doing a Kimba remake.

Tezuka Productions does not have the financial resources to sue Disney, who will simply stall and wait for their money to run out
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:39 pm Reply with quote
Sam.: wrote:
And for those of you who think Lion King is original and has its own animation. Well read these articles below.


Yes, I've seen the "evidence" dozens and dozens of times over the past decade and I'm not convinced. Don't feel like debating it over again, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:58 pm Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:

Tezuka Productions does not have the financial resources to sue Disney, who will simply stall and wait for their money to run out


According to an excerpt from Dreamland Japan

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Ultimately, the Lion King vs. Kimba controversy is a case-study in cultural attitudes toward dispute resolution. Litigation is socially frowned upon except as a last resort in Japan, and the Tezuka family, which still controls Tezuka Productions, was not interested in confronting or suing Disney. Tezuka, after all, had himself been a Disney fan. And there may also have been reluctance over giving too much exposure to the old animation series because of an ongoing lawsuit to reassert rights to the series outside of Japan (ownership of the basic story or manga books was never in dispute), and because the Tezuka people were sensitive to the previous criticism of how African natives were depicted in the manga version.

The Disney company response, on the other hand, was typical of modern American corporate culture, where denials of wrongdoing are automatically issued to stave off potential lawsuits. Ironically, the entire controversy could easily have been resolved by a simple tip of the hat to Tezuka, either in the form of a film credit or a public statement. Instead, one year later, T-shirts were still being sold at American comic conventions that showed Tezuka's Kimba in front of a mirror seeing a reflection of the face of Disney's Simba. Underneath, the caption reads, "The Lyin' King: Mirror mirror, on the wall, who created me after all?"
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I mean all the good American sci-fi movies..have some kind or Japanese influence.


No they don't,what rubbish.
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I mean all the good American sci-fi movies..have some kind or Japanese influence.


No they don't,what rubbish.


NOTE: my quote above says Sci-Fi.

Start Wars, Martix Trilogy, and now Kill Bill just to name a few.

Martix ripped a whole Dragonball Z fight scene at the end between Neo and Smith. Lets see there are more... i'm sure others can name a whole list or movie and cartoons.

Dude the American movies, kids toys, video games, American fasion, American cartoon industry and the comic strips in the US are now being highly influenced by Japanese culture and Japanese aimation. Almost all the movies with Japanese influence seem to do well here in the States. Its not true vise-versa tho.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:09 pm Reply with quote
Sam.: wrote:
Mr Mania wrote:
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I mean all the good American sci-fi movies..have some kind or Japanese influence.


No they don't,what rubbish.


NOTE: my quote above says Sci-Fi.

Start Wars, Martix Trilogy, and now Kill Bill just to name a few.

Martix ripped a whole Dragonball Z fight scene at the end between Neo and Smith. Lets see there are more... i'm sure others can name a whole list or movie and cartoons.

Dude the American movies, kids toys, video games, American fasion, American cartoon industry and the comic strips in the US are now being highly influenced by Japanese culture and Japanese aimation. Almost all the movies with Japanese influence seem to do well here in the States. Its not true vise-versa tho.


I'm afraid I've never head of "Start Wars" or "Martix Trilogy," so I can't comment on them. However, I'm almost certain Kill Bill was not sci-fi. And are you even trying to assert that American movies don't do well in Japan? If so, it seems you need some education on what Japann is really like animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=5306
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:56 pm Reply with quote
ShellBullet wrote:
Sam.: wrote:
Mr Mania wrote:
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I mean all the good American sci-fi movies..have some kind or Japanese influence.
No they don't,what rubbish.
NOTE: my quote above says Sci-Fi.Start Wars, Martix Trilogy, and now Kill Bill just to name a few.
I'm afraid I've never head of "Start Wars" or "Martix Trilogy," so I can't comment on them. However, I'm almost certain Kill Bill was not sci-fi. And are you even trying to assert that American movies don't do well in Japan? If so, it seems you need some education on what Japann is really like animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=5306


No i was totally not "trying to assert" that American films do bad in Japan.. But i was trying to assert that Americans aren't as creative, original, or innovative as Japanese. Americans artist and movie directors lack imagination. Basicaly you don't see Japanese artits trying to copy the American culture, because their culture is far advanced than ours. Asians in general are very smart, creative, original, respectful, religious and humble.

As you know U.S. has for a very long time been the center of global culture. People in Great Britain, Europe, Russia, Africa, India and China only dream to have the American way of life style and culture. America is the only place that had that kind of cachet – movies, music, food, clothes, etc. – but i think in about 5 to 10 years that will no longer be true. I think that U.S. citizens are starting to embrace other cultures. Especially the Japanese pop culture. In the last few years, Japan has become a rising force in fashion-focused industries, from kids' toys to entertainment, anime, cell phones, and cars. Japanese culture is starting to influence the U.S. movies, TV shows, childrens cartoons and music.
This pisses me off... why because Japanese pop culture (movie, animation, TV, music), has advanced so much since WWII. Only U.S. and U.S. olone has always carried that title of a superior culture since WWI. I mean people in 3rd world countries look at US as been the culture which is superior, but here in U.S. we are slowly finding out that its not.

btw you haven't seen or head of "Start Wars" or "Martix Trilogy," Wow you must live under a rock.
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Wow, you are ignorant.
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But i was trying to assert that Americans aren't as creative, original, or innovative as Japanese.

Turn off the TV and read a book.
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Basicaly you don't see Japanese artits trying to copy the American culture, because their culture is far advanced than ours.

No, I guess they just want to be easy breezy Japanese-y people. I find it hard to believe one culture is better than another. Do some thorough research on their education system and suicide, and there's also much to question. I'm not saying America is perfect, but the Japanese sure ain't either.
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People in Great Britain, Europe, Russia, Africa, India and China only dream to have the American way of life style and culture.

I'm pretty sure Russia wouldn't dream of capitalism if we hadn't won the Cold War and instituted our own democracy on them. And I'm also sure China isn't a huge proponent of capitalism either.
If you've ever read an African book, you'd notice that they're not necessarily envious--there's a huge culture clash.
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In the last few years, Japan has become a rising force in fashion-focused industries, from kids' toys to entertainment, anime, cell phones, and cars. Japanese culture is starting to influence the U.S. movies, TV shows, childrens cartoons and music.

So they made pokemon and yugioh. Wow. Anime is not as big as it seems, cell phones in Japan have more features than those in america (because demand is lacking for those features, i doubt DQ would take off). TV shows? I don't see how Japan was influential in Friends or Sex In the City or Sopranos or CSI. Matrix had anime influences, but Kill Bill had influences from everywhere, not just Asia. I don't see any Japanese influence brought in from Eminem, 50cent, Usher, Lil' Jon, Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Hoobastank, Nina Sky, Kanye West, Jay-Z, Black Eyed Peas... except for Linkin Park's usage of Gundam-styled art, where's it at? Utada still ain't popular.

Aside from cars and animation style, i don't see any other influences. Just look at all the praise Spirited Away got, but it still got a limited release. Even videogames, the most popular videogames here are GTA and Madden.

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I mean people in 3rd world countries look at US as been the culture which is superior, but here in U.S. we are slowly finding out that its not.

Superior? The US is not trying to have the best culture ever, if that's how they look at it, blame them.

I'm pretty sure Japan has a great culture, as well as any other country in this world. But to start ragging on American culture and promoting Japanese culture as superior? You're touching on a lot of issues.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:43 am Reply with quote
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i was trying to assert that Americans aren't as creative, original, or innovative as Japanese


Wake up. What a complete load of rubbish. Yes some American movies are influenced by Japanese movies and vice versa. i think you will find that Japanese cinema has taken more of American cinema than the other way around.

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Its not true vise-versa tho.


How many actual Japanese movies make it into the top ten in the US or for that matter any other country. Very few. How many American movies make it into the top ten of other countries loads.

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Basicaly you don't see Japanese artits trying to copy the American culture, because their culture is far advanced than ours. Asians in general are very smart, creative, original, respectful, religious and humble.


That’s really laughable. Japanese culture is far advanced in comparison to American culture? Right. In other words your saying that Asians are in general a superior race to our own. Show some respect for your own culture. There is nothing wrong appreciating others cultures but don't disown your own culture. Japans culture has copied America’s, you would have to be blind not to see that. The Japanese are great at taking aspects of American culture and adding a Japanese twist to it. Just take a look at the Japanese music scene. I suppose your going to tell me though that the Japanese are much better musicians as well.

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Start Wars, Martix Trilogy, and now Kill Bill just to name a few.


*Star Wars *Matrix

Kill Bill isn't sci-fi. Although there are many Japanese influences in Star Wars there are a lot of influences in general from a lot of different cultures and mythologies. Not only that but Star Wars no doubt had the same impact on Japanese movies as it did on everything else. What about the numerous sci-fi movies which were not influenced by Japanese culture. There are a lot more that haven’t been influenced by Japanese movies than there are that have. I say it again wake up . I hope your Asian envy is just a stage.

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People in Great Britain, Europe, Russia, Africa, India and China only dream to have the American way of life style and culture.


I'm British and hate to shatter your illusions but us Brits don't dream off having the American way off life, we have a very good standard of living ourselves. Also the majority of us Brits our very proud of our own culture as you should be off yours.
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Ultimately, the Lion King vs. Kimba controversy is a case-study in cultural attitudes toward dispute resolution. Tezuka, after all, had himself been a Disney fan.


Wonder if he'd still been as big a fan if he'd known they were going to steal his ideas. And if you can't see the similarities between Kimba and Simba, then I feel very, very sorry for you.
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Basicaly you don't see Japanese artits trying to copy the American culture, because their culture is far advanced than ours. Asians in general are very smart, creative, original, respectful, religious and humble.


That’s really laughable. Japanese culture is far advanced in comparison to American culture? Right.


Seeing as how your british, I think it's fair to say that you've never been to the deep south.

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I suppose your going to tell me though that the Japanese are much better musicians as well.


In a country where the bigest musical artists include Brittney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Cher, and others, then I'm gonna have to say yeah, the japanese have better music then us.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:10 am Reply with quote
rainking187 wrote:
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Ultimately, the Lion King vs. Kimba controversy is a case-study in cultural attitudes toward dispute resolution. Tezuka, after all, had himself been a Disney fan.


Wonder if he'd still been as big a fan if he'd known they were going to steal his ideas. And if you can't see the similarities between Kimba and Simba, then I feel very, very sorry for you.


Obviously, you didn't keep this part:

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Litigation is socially frowned upon except as a last resort in Japan, and the Tezuka family, which still controls Tezuka Productions, was not interested in confronting or suing Disney.


*shakes head* The Ignorance of some folks....
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