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Elf474
Posts: 100 Location: Behind You |
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While everyone here is a big fan of anime, has anybody here read many of the Japanese history/legends (they're the same thing) that they're based on? The story of the royal sword Kusinagi, that was found by Lord Susanoo inside the tail of a god eating eight headed serpernt and is one of the three great treasures of the empire which was lost in the sea? The story of Jimmu Tenno, who is known in history as Japans first HUMAN emperor and the son of a descendant of the sun goddess and the daughter of the sea dragon king?
What I find most interesting are some of the similarities to myths in other parts of the world. How in the land of the dead, Yomi, once you eat the food you can not leave. The tale of the Willow Wife sounds remarkably similar to stories of dryads. The Dwarf god appears to be a fairy and they even had their own version of Tom Thumb. Another fine point is that many of the weapons and other utensils told about in legend are still around. The pot eaten from by the giant monk who served the man who may have become Ghengis Khan is still in a temple and still bears tooth marks on its edge. The Mirror and Jewels of the Sun Goddess are still kept respectively in a temple and the royal palace. And there are records in Japan and Korea of Empress Jingo's conquering army which was said to have been inspired by the gods and led to Korea by dragons. So what do you know of these stories? And do you think they could be true? Also what names are used in anime that have correspondants in Japanese tales? Kurama and Hiei for example are mountains. |
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SalarymanJoe
Posts: 468 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA |
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I remember first being exposed to specific Japanese myths through Yoroiden Samurai Troopers, when at the end of the series they had to obtain the three (or one of them) sacred imperial treasures (Kusanagi, the Jewel of Life and the mirror) to finally defeat the Demon World. Several years later, I did some reading on Shinto and Buddhism and was exposed to the Nihon Shoki myths (Amaterasu, Izanagi and the creation of the islands, etc.). Eventually, I grew out of it and a lot of it became fun filler for drunken conversation at 2 AM if someone else brought up other mythologies. Occasionally something (like the imperial treasures) may come up in a legitimate historical article but I don't much take it further than that. Also, no, history and legends are not the same thing. Legends are a part of a culture's history but they do not have to live up to the same standards which defines actual history through research and review.
If it's your sort of thing, I recommend a book called The Hero With A Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. It looks at traditional hero epics and compares them across numerous cultures with some extremely interesting parallels. Even though the subject matter is hardly my cup of tea, studying the material was slightly more interesting than reading a lot of the epics themselves.
Many religions have sacred relics (or, from my perspective, pro ported to be sacred relics). I've been to a church in Germany which supposedly has a splinter soaked with Christ's blood from his cross. Numerous shrines in Japan all have some weird relic.
No, of course not.
They were also Imperial Navy ships, not unlike the Yamato. I don't think it should be all that surprising to see a series with say, supernatural elements like Yuu Yuu Hakusho, and see characters with names or traits referencing any sort of mythology. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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Just buy Moyuru Kojiki.
It is rather easy for a native Chinese speaker to read Kojiki in its original text; most Japanese students today would have headaches reading this ancient text in complete kanji. I also recommend reading it after age 18 for it contains descriptions of spoiler[sexual intercourse and erotic dancing.]
At least spell it correctly, okay? EDIT: Image couldn't display after cookie expired; moved the picture to Photobucket. Last edited by dormcat on Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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DuskyPredator
Posts: 15578 Location: Brisbane, Australia |
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The most I usualy look up are japanese mythology, especialy mythological creatures. Before I even got realy into anime I had an interst in kappa and quite liked reading things about Kitsune, and since that I have enjoyed anime that have had kitsune in them like kanon, Inukami and kanokon. In fact I quite like anime that involve mythological creatures I have looked up myself.
Don't know much about actual japanese history though except for some anime and Holywood movies. |
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Elf474
Posts: 100 Location: Behind You |
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I'm actually an avid student of the occult and paranormal and I think that some of the more mystical events in Japanese history may have occurred exactly as described.
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hyojodoji
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These are excerpts from Kojiki. Do you think it is easy for a native speaker of Chinese to understand them? |
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Player No. 3
Posts: 209 Location: San Antonio, Texas |
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I like mythology in general, but I really wish that I knew more about Japanese mythology(Well, that and Celtic mythology). All I really know are tidbits like certain demons and monsters. Although, I remember my friend told me the legend of Izanami and Izanagi and found some interesting parallels between it and Orpheus. (Minus the whole "I will kill 1,000 humans a day" thing.)
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EireformContinent
Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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All legends and stories are the same at all:)
For example Cinderella- poor orphan with wicked stepmother and stepsister(s) helped by fairy godmother(French)/three growing on her mother's tomb(German)/speaking oak with door(Poland)/golden catfish( Chinese). As a child I collected fairy tales from over the world and I was really surprised how familiar stories are similar in exotic setting. Back to the topic: I've never been interested in Japanese history nad literature at all. Most of my knowledge comes from books about them. Of course I've read Geisha of Gion and Tale of Murasaki, but Genji Monogatari is still angrily looking at me from bookshelf. Sorry, after all studies I'm too tired to think about something more complicated than Dragon Ball... I promise, during holidays I will at least read Journey to the West (I know it's Chinese, but it had and impact in Japanese culture) |
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Andrez
Posts: 67 Location: Tokyo |
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I recently did a story on the history of sake and it's importance in Japanese culture, and interestingly enough this eight-headed beastie tale came up. I stumbled across the story while tuning in to a compilation of collected works by the late great Akira Ifukube. Ifukube was the regular Godzilla sound track composer and worked as well on Shintaro Katsu’s original Zatoichi outings—and, it turns out, was the man who scored a 1963 Toei anime feature called Wankapu Oji no Orochi Taiji (The Little Prince and the Eight Headed Dragon) along with the 1959 Toho classic, Nippon Tanjo (The Birth of Japan). Both the animated romp and its live-action brethren are based on a relatively famous myth in which the eight daughters of an elderly couple are devoured on consecutive years by a dragon named Yamata no Orochi (‘Eight-Forked Serpent’). This annually ravenous beast flaunts eight heads and eight tails, and size-wise stretches out over eight hills and eight valleys. While this may play havoc with the Japanese notion that eight is a lucky number, things straighten out somewhat just prior to the consumption of daughter Number 8, named Kushinada-hime (‘Rice Paddy Princess’). It transpires that our hero Susanoo-no-Mikoto, the banished Shinto summer storm god (played by Toshiro Mifune in the ’59 movie, featured as a central character in Masamune Shirow's manga series Orion, and even a bit-player in Neil Gaiman’s Sandman comic), having just met the couple, has his eye on Kushinada and so offers his assistance in return for their daughter’s hand. The aged parents accept and Susanoo swings a magic trick that transforms Kushinada-hime into a comb he hides in his hair (of course). He then orders a barrier built around the house in which there’re eight gates; at each gate a bench is placed, eight cavernous tubs placed upon each bench, and the tubs filled with eight-times-filtered sake. So when the dragon does make his lumbering eight mountain/eight valley arrival, he finds his path blocked and after much huffing and puffing (a bit like the wolf in the three little pigs story, really), Orochi finds that he can’t breach the barrier. Then his acute sense of smell takes in the sake - which the polycephalic dragon loves, of course - and the eight heads themselves entertain a dilemma. They want to guzzle the delicious sake that calls out to them like the Sirens from Homer’s 'The Odyssey', yet the fence obstructs their path, blocking any easy way to reach the precious booze. When one head suggests that they simply smash the barrier down, the consensus is that this would knock over and waste the sake. When another head proposes they combine their fiery breath and burn the fence into ash, they agree that the sake would potentially be evaporated. Yet as Orochi looks closer, he finds that the gates are actually unbarred and, pining for the sake on the other side, his heads are keen to stick their necks through to go guzzle it. But here the eighth one, which is the smartest, warns his cranial brethren of the folly of such action - then volunteers to head through first to make sure the coast is clear. Of course it's a cruel trap, as Susanoo waits for his chance and allows that single head to drink some sake in safety then report back to the others that there is no clear danger. All eight noggins plunge through a hatch each, greedily skull every last drop in the vats, and revel in the effects of the alcohol. As the heads reel, Susanoo launches his attack on Orochi. Drunk from slurping so much sake so quickly, the great serpent is no match for the wily, teetotaling Susanoo, who decapitates each dazed crown in turn and thereby slays Orochi, a fitting lesson indeed for all eight-headed beasties out there with a taste for the hard stuff. |
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Richard J.
Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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I've read more about cultural aspects than anything else. One of my last classes before graduating was a course in Japanese culture that was surprisingly interesting. (Anime was brought up near the end, which was cool. Got to write about my favorite anime.) I haven't read as much as I'd like to own their military history though. WWII mainly, which is typical for me. |
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hyojodoji
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Mr Gilles Poitras, who is also active on the ANN forum, wrote the Seimei jinja entry in the Anime Companion Supplement in January.
http://www.koyagi.com/ACPages/acs.html#Seimeijinja Recently I happened to reread the part about Abe no Seimei in Konjaku Monogatarishū in the original. In the Onmyōji live-action film, there are scenes based on it. Thinking of the reevaluation of Konjaku Monogatarishū, probably I should thank Akutagawa Ryūnosuke.
In Aramata Hiroshi's Teito Monogatari, which Doomed Megalopolis is based on, there is a scene where Kōda Rohan reads a script about Abe no Seimei.
By the way, it seems that this thread was mentioned on a Japanese bulletin board. http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1251331352/146 http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1251331352/158 http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1251331352/160 |
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