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Jump Guru



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:50 pm Reply with quote
How come they're two missing licensors on the Barefoot Gen (manga) encyclopedia page. The two missing are, Educomics (the first publisher), and New Society Publishers (the second publisher).

I mean, you can't miss the first publication of it, which is the first English translation of manga in the world! Surprised
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:09 pm Reply with quote
What's stopping you from adding them?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:33 pm Reply with quote
I believe that only editors can add licensor information.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:40 pm Reply with quote
DerekTheRed wrote:
I believe that only editors can add licensor information.


Only in the first instance. After that, anybody can add additional companies for that language.

Case in point: I've just added the relevant data to the Barefoot Gen entry.
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dormcat
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:26 am Reply with quote
Moomintroll wrote:
Only in the first instance. After that, anybody can add additional companies for that language.

That is not the case. The only task regular users can't enter is "licensed by".
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:33 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
Moomintroll wrote:
Only in the first instance. After that, anybody can add additional companies for that language.

That is not the case. The only task regular users can't enter is "licensed by".


Sorry, you're quite right - I'll rephrase that:

Once a licensor has been added, anybody can add a publisher.

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Incidentally, what is the official position regarding the correct usage of "licensor", "publisher" and "distributor"? The three seem to be used as synonyms in the encyclopaedia but aren't, in fact, the same thing at all and, speaking as somebody who works with books for a living, "publisher" would be the correct term (according to the nomenclature of the book world) in 99% of instances.

In terms of manga entries, the only time the licensor is relevant as a distinct entity is in the handful of instances where the licensor is not also the publisher (e.g. it's my understanding that Hellsing and Berserk are licensed by DMP but published by Dark Horse) or where a "packaging" company and a publisher have a symbiotic relationship (e.g. prior to 2004 when they acquired the rights, the manga that Dark Horse published was licensed by Studio Proteus).
In other words, whilst the publisher is generally also the licensor, that isn't always the case and, in any event, the two roles are not one and the same.

As far as "distributor" goes, that's a completely different function altogether from "publisher" (although, in some instances, the same company may fill both roles) and, in fact, most publishers work with multiple distributors. Nor has distribution got anything whatsoever to do with licensing.
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dormcat
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:36 am Reply with quote
Moomintroll wrote:
Sorry, you're quite right - I'll rephrase that:

Once a licensor has been added, anybody can add a publisher.

As far as I know anyone can add "publisher," no matter "licensed by" has been entered or not.

Moomintroll wrote:
Incidentally, what is the official position regarding the correct usage of "licensor", "publisher" and "distributor"?

As a specialized tag, "licensed by" under English changes the font in the alphabetical list from regular to bold. Other than this there's little difference.

Distributor can be very different though: sometimes a licensor acquires multi-national license in a geographical region; it will then rely local distributors to do the actual dispensing works.
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:51 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
As far as I know anyone can add "publisher," no matter "licensed by" has been entered or not.


You can...but only by cheating. If you try to add a company, staff member or cast member to an entry that isn't marked as licensed in English using the drop down menu, "English" isn't amongst the language options.
You have to add it as a Japanese (or, presumably, other non-English) language entry and then edit it to "English" after its been submitted.

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As a specialized tag, "licensed by" under English changes the font in the alphabetical list from regular to bold. Other than this there's little difference.


I realise that. What I'm saying is that "publisher" and "licensor" are not synonymous (and that "licensor" is generally redundant unless there are special circumstances).

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Distributor can be very different though: sometimes a licensor acquires multi-national license in a geographical region; it will then rely local distributors to do the actual dispensing works.


Indeed. But I'm sure I've seen examples (can't remember what they were off the top of my head) of UK and Australian publishers (with their own licensed or sub-licensed editions) being listed as distributors.

It's not a major issue - just thought a little clarity might be nice.
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