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LightningCount
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Interesting to hear it's a whole new epilogue episode. Aldnoah.Zero was among the best mecha anime in decades. It, Fafner Exodus, and Silver Will Argevollen are better than most modern Gundam entries, and were the last time I felt the mecha genre had solid representation in the world of anime.
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tintor2
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I think the tv series was released a decade ago. Still, I already recall the criticism the two protagonists suffered a lot. Inaho was stoic as heck with overpowered tactics that led to memes about the only thing he was concerned was buying eggs on sale. Slaine was more human in contrast but the way he ended in the second cour felt like the writers hated him even more than how Tomino hated Kamille before the Zeta Trilogy's retcon
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Always felt that Aldnoah.Zero was an under-appreciated series, and also that it could have benefited from a proper epilogue. Sounds like this one offers that, so hopefully CR (who still has the original series) will pick it up at some point.
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jr240483
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i highly doubt it. personally , the TV series should have used the manga ending! especially concerning nao & slaine. it was pretty clear to any gundam fan out there that in the anime the directors hated them with a passion though not enough to kill them off in the end! definitely remenscent to not only how kamile was treated in gundam zeta , but that same distain was also included to the MCs for both gundam zz as well as for gundam thunderbolt! |
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db999
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I have no idea where this idea of Tomino hating Kamille comes from, given that he gets a happy ending, at least in every animated version of his story. I guess lots of people still haven’t watched ZZ Gundam.
Back to this though, Aldnoah.Zero was nowhere near as good, or as bad, as people were saying it was at the time. I felt that the second half was really messy but not necessarily bad. It had really cool fights and the story was still intriguing in that back half, even if the first half was better, and it would've been more interesting if they actually had the nerves to stick with the ending to the first cour. I’m glad this does have an epilogue though, because I hated ending to this show. It seems like what they added in the epilogue might be enough to salvage the ending. |
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kaiju3
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Of Tomino's Gundam protagonists - Amuro Ray, Kamille Bidan, Judau Ashta, Uso Ewin, Loran Cehack, Bellri Zenam, Bidan is the one whom the narrative is harshest towards his character flaws, and this is despite his being one of the least flawed characters i.e. Ray's caring more about fixing Haro than an upcoming battle, Ashta's being a delinquent, Ewin's being at least partially motivated by his crush on his evil babysitter (plus his being the only Tomino Gundam protagonist who could have avoided fighting at all), Loran's spending 1/3 of the series lying to everyone and all of it remaining childishly naive despite going from teenager to adult on the show, Bellri being just a spoiled hypocrite. (Note: not bashing them but rather "flawed shonen protagonists" was a common thing back then.) Kamille is the one who gets the harshest breaks dealt towards him in the narrative. Example: when his mother is murdered right in front of him, a villain taunts him for being too close to his mother in the first place. When he tries to talk about it to Emma Sheen she tells him "Don't try to seek any sympathy from me because we aren't friends." As Sheen had spent the show physically and verbally abusing this teenager to this point, the narrative would have been well served by showing her as capable of exhibiting human compassion towards him, as well as some regret over her treatment of a civilian teenager, but no Tomino didn't want the kid who got into this whole mess in the first place because of an adult soldier bullying him over his name to receive said compassion. Also, the ending of Zeta Gundam saw Bidan catatonic, basically a vegetable, because Paptimus did a "if I am going down I am taking you with me" move, the only Tomino protagonist to suffer such a fate. (Yes, I know the movie ends differently.) ZZ Gundam has him eventually nursed to health by Fa Yuiry - whom he showed little romantic interest in during the show but the girls that he actually liked all died so she was the only one left and oh yeah he was in a catatonic state so he had no ability to consent or anything like that - but we have to remember that precisely because of how depressing Zeta Gundam was, the studio largely took over ZZ Gundam and imposed a lighter, more comedic tone. So based on how Tomino loathed the guy during the series itself, Bidan spending the rest of his life in the state that Zeta Gundam left him in was likely his original intent and the studio forced him to change and retcon it. It is notable that after the studio changes imposed with ZZ Gundam, Tomino didn't work on another Gundam series for years. |
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BlueAlf
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Speaking of epilogue episodes, the epilogues from Gundam SEED and Eureka Seven AO comes to mind. So hearing that the extra episode for this series is actually amazing honestly comes as a surprise.
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ph34rl3ssL34d3r
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Aldnoah Zero has great pacing, making this the best mecha anime.
I can't stand the melodrama of the Gundam series. Also, the new Blu-Ray collection has the OVA episode mentioned in the movie included. |
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Waid Rabby Nadaga
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I agree Kamille didn't get a lot of sympathy in the show (Emma apprently thought it would feed into his Mother Complex) , but he and the crew still grew close, and he lost almost everything by the end. Whatever Tominos intention was , I'm glad at least he and Fa got a happy ending.
Aldnoah Zero was kinfd of a mixed bag, that IMO fell apart in the second season, paticularly as the Universe seemed to have it out for Slaine. It also didn't exactly work in some of it's messages (The Vers Empire tried to have nuance, but there were very few likeable Vers, and many showed up only at the end, or too briefly. Plus they try to save Mars has Economic issues , but every Martian we see is a Space Noble in a literal floating Castle, while the main Earth characters are largely orphaned Teen soilders whos town gets destroyed). Really an epilogue could help this series, as it would give more of a chance for character development and relfection. I don't know when/if this will go international, but I'm willing to give it a try. |
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jr240483
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i wouldnt do that far. sure you say that bidan a fa got a happy ending, but its only fa! meanwhile he's got his mind forever stuck in a vegetative state unable to think for himself. it more or less got similarities to the ending of akane ga kill at best. sure there is also the alicization arc, but didn't mentioned it since it was tempoarily! |
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