Forum - View topicSpoiler clarification
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Harleyquin
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Long post, so I'm going to structure it as best as I can to get my point across.
Forum rules on spoilers: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2962859 Example of user correctly using spoilers when they apply: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5518100#5518100 Preamble over. Main point of thread: Same user not using spoiler tags when required despite knowing the rules. Examples given below along with complete lack of action despite posts being reported multiple times: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5515652#5515652 Post includes spoilers from source material, no action taken. animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5516178#5516178 Post includes spoilers from source material, no action taken. animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5516271#5516271 Post includes spoilers from source material, no action taken. animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5518238#5518238 Comparison between source material and adaptation including adaptation progress to date. Not covered in rules, so unable to report as it's a loophole. Everyone else seems to be enjoying all of the spoilers provided from the source material, so there is zero incentive for them to report the problem posts despite the obvious infractions. Since a lot of them are prone to engaging in off-topic banter pages long in the thread, they won't be as zealous in "reminding" others about the rules when circumstances warrant. Examples below: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=4511673#4511673 I'm the target of the deranged rant, yet barely an eyelid raised when his mate does the exact same thing years later (and he's begging for more). Already said he's ignoring all of my posts, but the difference in reaction (since a moderator at the time chimes in immediately afterwards AND leaves a PM with a link to the spoiler tags rules to boot) is an interesting contrast. It took multiple reports and about a week's waiting time before this message was posted and the thread cleaned up (animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5515517#5515517) I'm expecting a response along the lines of "the popularity of work determines the speed of response" or "Moderators only need to enforce the spirit of the rules rather than the letter" for this particular instance, so if that's the case I'm requesting the rules get an update. They're overdue one given the chronic shortage of moderators on the forum. That, or finding moderators who aren't affected by personal bias or prejudice might be a start (I note the user in question is one of the precious subscribers of the forum, so getting special treatment must be one of those "unwritten rules") |
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Alan45
 Village Elder Posts: 10162 Location: Virginia |
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There appears to be a difference of opinion as to what constitutes a "spoiler". If I understand you correctly, you consider any reference to the source material to be a spoiler. My understanding is that such references constitute a spoiler only to the extent that they reference events and plot points that have not yet occurred in the anime to date.
In your post you refer to a specific moderator's post. Let me extract from that as I can't find any other definition of a spoiler.
The first sentence does not apply since these are threads dedicated to the specific shows. The second sentence is the definition of a spoiler that I use. This is supported below in the post as all of the examples given of spoilers from the source material involve events that a are future plot points. No where do I see a statement that all mentions of the source material constitutes a spoiler. |
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter Posts: 24835 |
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For the benefit of anybody who may be reading this thread, I would ask that you consider another type of spoiler that should always be in tags out of consideration for your fellow posters. And that is when you discuss an event, especially a major event, in an "out of context" thread. What I mean by that is let's say you are in a discussion thread about Show A. You pop in and say, "Wow, that scene where Character B dies reminds me so much of when Charcter C in Show D died, too."
Talking about Character B dying in Show A where the scene has already been broadcast and its a discussion thread about Show A is perfectly fine. Commenting about Character C dying in Show D is not, for obvious reasons. You have no way of knowing if other posters who are there to discuss Show A have seen Show D, so please be considerate. |
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Key
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I looked at all of these and none of these constitute a problem. Making references to how animated content differs from source material for content that's already aired is perfectly fine. Would be a different story if the adaptation had skipped over source material content which could theoretically come up later, but that's not the case here. Saying something like "episode xx brings the story to the end of novel xx" isn't a problem, either, since that reveals nothing; in most series adapted from LNs, it's fairly obvious when novel breaks are reached anyway. To address other points you brought up: 1. The popularity of a thread topic or Subscriber status of a poster has almost no bearing on Moderation. (I say "almost" here because topics with an established history of being troublesome - such as anything that even tangentially brings up GamerGate or Vic Mignogna - get priority attention since problems can blow up fast.) 2. All reports get looked at, but not all reports are acted on; some just aren't the problem that the reporter thinks it is. (When in doubt, though, do report.) How fast they get looked at depends entirely on how busy we Moderators are. As for Blood-'s point about referring to events in non-dedicated threads, I generally agree that such things should be spoiler-tagged except in cases where a plot twist has reached iconic status, and even then I'd recommend erring on the side of caution. |
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ANN Forum Mod / Admin
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Post removed. And I'm tempted to edit the first post, too, though for now I'll leave it as is.
This is not the appropriate avenue to single out specific individual users you have problems with. If you have a genuine question about moderation policies, feel free to ask, but we're not here to litigate past moderation decisions. --F |
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Harleyquin
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The spoiler rules aren't going to be changed, so that post which you deleted was to remind myself what is and isn't allowed on this forum. Since you've removed it because you interpreted it differently to what I intended, I will make a note elsewhere. I will assume based on the reaction to that post that my understanding of the replies is not incorrect. Clarification received, this thread can now be locked since it has served its purpose. |
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