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LeSean Thomas Schools New York on 'Consumer' Fans and Uplifting Animators




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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:03 am Reply with quote
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When someone says they wish Yasuke was more like Samurai Champloo or Vinland Saga, he responds, “Why do you want the same shit?”


I'm sure Thomas was being rhetorical here, but it's simply because most people are extremely hesitant/scared to try something new out. They'd rather want something that reminds them of stuff they're already comfortable with, even if they don't realize it themselves. And, by that same token, production companies tend to hesitate with trying new ideas out, because they're afraid of losing money on it, when doing something that's familiar to people tends to be more reliable, financially.

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He also emphasized the importance of learning who makes the anime you love (joking about people who love Hunter x Hunter but “don't know who the fudge made Hunter x Hunter”), and to recognize and uplift the artists who inspire you.


Fully agreed, 100%. It's why if I really enjoyed an anime then I'll at least search who directed and/or wrote it & look into what else they did, because maybe I'd be interested in seeing more of what I liked about the prior work. It's the same with mangaka, too, which is why it's annoying when English manga publishers sometimes don't bother to license & release other works from creators who are successful & popular over here. Yes, Viz, thanks for continuing to release more JoJo but how about Cool Shock B.T. or a new release for Baoh, or how about Level E & Ten de Showaru Cupid during the constant long waits between new Hunter x Hunter chapters? It's really no wonder why people are fans of "works" instead of "creators", because most publishers here don't really bother to help make more fans of the latter.

It's kind of miracle that Viz did just that by bringing over Tista & Blade of the Moon Princess because Spy x Family's a big hit, because I wish that kind of stuff happened more often.
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SpacemanHardy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:16 am Reply with quote
I'm surprised LeSean has the gall to show his face in public again ever since his Cannon Busters Kickstarter campaign turned out to be a complete sham. The man took over $150k from 2,400 backers, went radio silent for years, and did nothing but give everyone a single bluray disc of the pilot. There were individual backers who spent literally THOUSANDS on rewards, only for them to be completely ghosted.

LeSean Thomas is a fraud and a pariah and he deserves to never work in the industry again.
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sirdano1



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:25 am Reply with quote
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When someone says they wish Yasuke was more like Samurai Champloo or Vinland Saga, he responds, “Why do you want the same shit?”

Well excuse me for wanting good anime...
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fathomlessblue



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:39 am Reply with quote
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When someone says they wish Yasuke was more like Samurai Champloo or Vinland Saga, he responds, “Why do you want the same shit?”


That's a bold take considering Champloo was (especially at the time) a pretty unique mashup of classical Edo style and mid-00's hip-hop culture, that has rarely been replicated since. I didn't even take the show & even I recognized that quality. Meanwhile, if Vinland Saga was indeed the same old shit, there would be a lot less insecure manchildren whining about it for not being violent enough.

If nothing else, I respect Thomas' drive, even if at best his works rarely seem to live up to the promises & hype he insists upon, & at worse feel boldly disingenuous or lacking self-awareness. Like whining about series being the same old shit but with black characters is a wild take from the dude who gave us Cannon Busters.

I just can't tell how much of this is delusion, egoistism or just cynical self-promotion marketing nonsense.
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garfield15



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:18 pm Reply with quote
That was definitely not the right answer as not only are those two shows totally different, but the question was more like why did it become something so out-of-pocket and wild like it was what someone who thinks 'cool anime' is.
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Hopeless Weeb



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:54 pm Reply with quote
garfield15 wrote:
That was definitely not the right answer as not only are those two shows totally different, but the question was more like why did it become something so out-of-pocket and wild like it was what someone who thinks 'cool anime' is.


I think what he meant was "why should my original show harp on some other show, simply because they're the same genre?", not that SS and VS are similar shows.

Like there is a show where Oda Nobunaga is a dirty blond ikemen mecha-pilot who fights Arthurian-inspired magical knights in a interplanetary conflict, and I think Thomas questions why exactly his creation can't be allowed to be even an ounce as "out there" as that.
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Sakura Shinguji



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:59 pm Reply with quote
SpacemanHardy wrote:
I'm surprised LeSean has the gall to show his face in public again ever since his Cannon Busters Kickstarter campaign turned out to be a complete sham. The man took over $150k from 2,400 backers, went radio silent for years, and did nothing but give everyone a single bluray disc of the pilot. There were individual backers who spent literally THOUSANDS on rewards, only for them to be completely ghosted.

LeSean Thomas is a fraud and a pariah and he deserves to never work in the industry again.


Quoting for emphasis.

I did read the article, and appreciate Reuben putting in the work to write it. But as far as I'm concerned, LeSean can go take a long walk off a short pier, as the more polite saying goes.
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YackDe



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:54 pm Reply with quote
Maybe he should stop making up imaginary people in his head who asked for Yasuke to be like Samurai Champloo to box with (and also stop committing fraud, that would be good), and focus on making something worthwhile instead.
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chronium



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:05 pm Reply with quote
Hopeless Weeb wrote:

I think what he meant was "why should my original show harp on some other show, simply because they're the same genre?", not that SS and VS are similar shows.

Like there is a show where Oda Nobunaga is a dirty blond ikemen mecha-pilot who fights Arthurian-inspired magical knights in a interplanetary conflict, and I think Thomas questions why exactly his creation can't be allowed to be even an ounce as "out there" as that.


The problem with his statement though is that Yasuke ended up harping on far more common types of shows and ended up being a very generic show. When people give examples they're using them to show what they think is quality and want to push the creator to do better and it has nothing to do with what deserves to exist or not.
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