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This Week in Anime - Made in Abyss Ignites Firestorm in K-Pop Fandom

Gamen wrote:

Until they pressure MasterCard or PayPal into pressuring a vendor into not selling "anything"

That whole business with Mastercard and Visa being able to censor anything (like even Pixiv) is another big issue that should be addressed. I think that US ruling making them culpable for merely doing transactions for major porn site who was negligent with revenge porn was wrong and misguided effort to right a wrong, and caused horrible aftereffects, and I hope it could be abolished somehow, but I'm not gonna trust gigantic company that they have no choice but to force everyone to censor everything. I wish there could be some law passed that forces them to be neutral and available to everyone, like physical currency. Those two companies have way to much financial power over whole Earth to just let them make rules as they please.
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??? This was literally just this year unless you're trying to claim Moms for Liberty aren't conservative animenewsnetwork.com/news/2023-04-12/assassination-classroom-manga-removed-from-florida-wisconsin-school-libraries/.197003

It cracks me up when you have people claiming that the left are the ones doing censorship in media actually and that fundies have no power anymore.

Fundies have more reach and power to ban stuff than ever before, people just don't think so because they can order anything they want online.

A better example would be Viz refusing to release Dragon Ball and Shaman King uncensored in America even in the year 2023 because they don't like the way Mr. Popo and Chocolove are drawn. One only affects one small group of people and the other affects everyone.

That's a false equivalency. Parents complaining about an book in a school library is not the same thing as actual censorship happening on a manufacturing or production level.

While you can say what you want about hentai, in liveaction porn, their really is constant human trafficking, women getting coerced to do hardcore scenes (which they were told would be vanilla), actually rape videos uploaded, revenge porn, and underaged porn. It's not a theoretical issue at all, if you watched more than 100 porn videos you've likely gotten off to a women who's a trafficking victim or a women getting raped. Pornhub is not a "little guy going against the big guys like mastercard". They are the big guys with massive amounts of lobbying money, you are merely defending a corporation with a massive human trafficking scandal

Viz hasn't had the rights to Shaman King for years now. Kodansha's version keeps the editing to Chocolove's design, and the 2021 anime was made with these changes. Maybe try a better better example?

Gem-Bug wrote:

Viz hasn't had the rights to Shaman King for years now. Kodansha's version keeps the editing to Chocolove's design, and the 2021 anime was made with these changes. Maybe try a better better example?

The original Japanese version is the original, not the 2021 anime. Anime change things from manga all the time, whether toning down content or completely changing characters designs. Bleach Thousand Year Blood War got complaints from fans that it toned things down from the manga plenty, but that doesn't mean it gives the American company an excuse to remove things themselves since it's 'just following what the anime did'. This just seems like trying to grasp at straws to excuse it and just comes off like censorship apologia. If the original Japanese manga is a certain way, that's the way it should be kept in America. Anything else is censorship. If you're fine with censorship then cool, but at least be honest about it.

Viz hasn't had the rights to Shaman King for years now. Kodansha's version keeps the editing to Chocolove's design, and the 2021 anime was made with these changes. Maybe try a better better example?

Quote me the source that says Hiroyuki Takei was not informed or a part of his artwork being changed.

Wouldn't that by very definition mean it's not censorship? If you can buy something from a mass retail store then it's not exactly censored or banned content. The discussion of if a private or public institution, group, or organization should be required to stock or carry something is another argument entirely.

There is actually an example of a campaign to get a publisher to not publish a book going on right now, but it's in Japan, and it's coming from left-leaning individuals. Kadokawa is currently releasing Abigail Shrier's book Irreversible Damage in Japan and some people are not happy about it and are demanding that they do not publish it. For the record, this book is freely available to buy in America on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and other major retailers. It's not banned in America, but some people seem to think it should be in Japan, including overseas translators and individuals who do work for manga and light novel companies supporting the call for censorship. There's certainly calls for censorship and book bans from both the left and right, although this is the only case I know of recently that aims to restrict access to a book on a national level and directly at the source.

Gem-Bug wrote:

Viz hasn't had the rights to Shaman King for years now. Kodansha's version keeps the editing to Chocolove's design, and the 2021 anime was made with these changes. Maybe try a better better example?

Kodansha's release is just the old Viz version with some minor tweaks like adding in honorifics and using the updated Kanzeban art, although Kodansha does go back and edit the new artwork as well to match the Viz version in the same spots. Otherwise it's the exact same version. And citing an anime changing things is not a valid argument, and even if it was Ponchi and Conchi were uncensored in the 2021 anime yet are still censored in all versions of the manga in America so even if basing the English edition of the manga on the 2021 anime was a valid excuse it would be inconsistent.

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Quote me the source that says Hiroyuki Takei was not informed or a part of his artwork being changed.

The burden of proof lies on the person making the claims, not the other party to disprove a claim you make. But just to play along, Hiroyuki Takei still draws Chocolove the way he always did to this day. His fanart of Miles Morales from the Spider-Verse movies also has the exact same kind of big nose and lips as Chocolove does. It's just the way he draws Black characters. Feel free to call Takei wrong for doing so if you want but that's just moving the goalposts from the original claim.

And that's nothing new at all when it comes to anime adaptions. Even if a creator is informed or even approved of changes being altered in an anime adaption it doesn't mean they're going to adopt it or accept it as their own in their original artwork or series. Neji's seal mark in Naruto is a manji in the manga. The anime changed it to an X. Kishimoto continued to draw it as a manji until the end of the series regardless of what the anime did. Makoto Raiku draws the characters in his currently running sequel series just as he did in the original manga and not the anime designs. Bulma and Trunks' inconsistent hair color in the Dragon Ball anime is a notorious example that even mundane things like clothing or hair color can differ between mediums, and then Super came along and made it even more inconsistent with Future Trunks with blue hair.

There is a difference between some people on social media sending emails to protest a book and a real life organization, well funded and well connected doing wide scale astroturfing to ban multiple books throughout the country for a group who don't even have the resources to buy said books on their own.

This is a whole lot of energy devoted to defending racist caricatures. :rolls:

Gem-Bug wrote:

This is a whole lot of energy devoted to defending racist caricatures. :rolls:

So do you actually care about this or are you just trolling? It sounds like you're not even a fan of Shaman King and just wanted to defend censorship

Yes, I imagine that's what people usually tell themselves. When one side bans books it's all from pure-hearted, genuine, righteous platform and the other side is always a shady group with an agenda and no valid concerns at all but . I imagine both sides have a different answer on who is who though.
I don't think it's hard to believe that a black parent has a genuine issue with their kid having to read a book with a bunch of N words in it just like I don't think it's hard to believe any parent would take issue with kids having to read a book that has graphic sexual pictures and how to give oral sex in it. But that discussion is dominated by children and schools. I'd say it's pretty different when we're talking about banning things on a publisher level. That's a lot more rare to see. Not to mention scarier.

But like clockwork that book is now a best seller on Amazon Japan's Kindle store because Streisand Effect is always a thing. It makes you wonder how many people would have even heard of it if no one said anything or made a stink about it. I certainly had no clue about it until I saw this controversy. I just saw a bunch of people attacking Kadokawa and looked into it and fell down the rabbit hole and I guess we're getting Hogwarts Legacy all over again.