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#ONSK
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Suuuper stoked!!!!
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yukikookami55
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Jeez, all those shoujo getting adapted, but shoujo fans on Twitter still crying about the lack of anime adaptations. Kinda hilarious ngl.
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AsleepBySunset
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Anime is dispropotionately targetted towards shounen, seinen and males in general, saying literally anything else is just outright denial of reality. I'm looking at summer 2023 on livechart right now, the top listings are; maou gakuin, for the male "battle harem" demo jujutsu kaisen, shounen mushoku tensei, male horimiya, shounen masumune, shounen bleach, shounen hataraku maou, wikipedia claims the serialiser for the manga adaption is a shounen magazine suki na ko ga megane wo wasureta, shounen gotoubun no hanayome, shounen nantasu no maken ga shihai suru, looks like another battle harem for the male demo jitsu wa ore saikyou deshita, another isekai for adult males kanojo okarishimasu, shounen |
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MagicPolly
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Because it's still true, don't be dense. A few shoujo series getting animated does not change that a disproportionate number of shounen series get animated |
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OtomeGay
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Overjoyed to see this is getting an anime adaptation!
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spacedin
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When I look at Myanimelist - sorry don't know what livechart is - I can take a good stab at the reason. We were able to get 100 episodes of Kodomo no Omocha and 4 cours (plus a bunch of OVAs and specials) for a josei like Nodame Cantabile because 2D cel animation used to be acceptable. That kept production costs down, making the chances of getting a profit more likely. You could even get a profit solely off TV revenue and didn't need DVD - back then VHS I guess - and merchandising sales. This allowed way more types of anime to be produced, plus what did get greenlit to have a bunch more episodes. Another good example - yes it is shounen - is Slayers. No way a somewhat niche property like that - not to mention being one of the rare action shows with a female protagonist that doesn't emphasize fanservice or ecchi - gets all those cours with how expensive anime budgets are now. That is why most shoujo and josei are getting live action adaptations now: it is cheaper to produce than is modern animation. With all the western streaming service money - Netlfix etc. pouring into Japan and South Korea expect that to accelerate. Most of the Japanese and South Korean live action shows on Netflix have female protagonists and are aimed primarily at female audiences, so expect the number of shows with shoujo and josei source material to boom. It probably stinks for shoujo and josei anime fans, but for people who are simply fans of the genre or source material that counts as a solid win. They are going to see way more adaptations, and those adaptations are going to have better production values. Maybe we can finally get a source material accurate adaptation of His And Her Circumstances this way? Or a live action Michiko To Hatchin? Dare to dream ... |
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Shay Guy
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The Nodame Cantabile anime started in 2007, well into the DVD era (in fact, shortly after BD debuted). That's about a decade after Kodocha, in a very different era -- Those Who Hunt Elves came out half a year into Kodocha's run, and a few years later the rise of late-night anime, which can't get the same revenue from TV ads, had wildly transformed the anime landscape. You can't really construct a narrative of "the economics of back-in-the-day" that includes both. Also, "somewhat niche"? Wasn't Slayers one of the most popular light novels of its day? Anyway, there's at least twice as much anime being made now as there was in the mid-'90s, when Slayers and Kodocha came out. There's certainly room for at least as much genre diversity, and certainly I think the field of anime would benefit more from a good Queen's Quality adaptation than another of the most forgettable Narou isekai shows that keep getting adapted. (And keep selling, I suppose.) |
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-Matthew-
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Good news! I hope that 24-26 episodes will air!
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yukikookami55
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Where did I say anything about shounen? Why do shoujo fans compete with THAT demographic, anyways? Compare shoujo with BL and realize how privilaged shoujo fans actually are, my guy. |
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prime_pm
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Reading that description I can't help but think "Dude, sometimes an umbrella is just an umbrella."
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MFrontier
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You had me at "Shoujo Romance," though I also enjoyed Wake Up, Sleeping Beauty.
Just glad to see more Shoujo getting an anime adaption. |
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spacedin
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On Slayers, I thought I read that light novels didn't become big until Haruhi? The Kodocha vs Cantabile thing was more about the "no more 2D cel animation" than the home video thing (which by the way was still very big in the 2000s, more on that later, but shoujo and josei were never big in home media anyway). It just costs a ton more to do Skip & Loafer than it did to do Lovely Complex. As for there being room for a lot more stuff, I wish that were the case. Not just for the sake of shoujo and josei but a ton of intriguing shonen and seinen stuff that will never get adapted in this environment. But from what little that I know about the Japanese entertainment industry, it is very different from the United States (sorry if that is not your location but this is a US-based website). In the U.S. they do things like have a network or cable TV series that runs for years despite practically no one watching because it is critically acclaimed. Shoot, an entire TV network operated for over a decade without ever turning a profit because the conglomerates that owned it had reasons to keep it going. But in the anime industry, each individual adaptation is expected to pay for itself. Meaning that if the studios and production committees don't think that a project is going to make money, they aren't going to do it. Again, not just shoujo and josei. For a 180 degree opposite example, take the fanservice and ecchi anime boom that started in the late 90s and lasted a good 15 years. Whole studios back then were devoted entirely to stuff like Mayo Chiki and gal game adaptations. I read somewhere that the Battle Angel Alita anime didn't succeed in that era because it didn't have enough of it while a bunch of lesser stuff that was packed with it did great. (And then the movie never got a sequel because Disney bought Fox and didn't promote it. They even buried it by releasing it around the same time they released a Marvel film that they DID promote. Frustrating.) But that went away because the home video market collapsed. That stuff can't air on TV during time slots that get good ad revenue. And these days it also doesn't do well in streaming. Now it is a good question why NHK doesn't do more shoujo and josei because it is publicly subsidized. |
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Nev999
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A good portion of BL falls under a shoujo or josei label, what are you even talking about? Are you just trolling at this point? Pointing out how little BL gets made just helps shoujo fans' argument. And of course they're going to compare it with shonen, and josei with seinen. There's not another broad demographic around until they start making manga specifically for non binary people. That being said, I find it incredibly sad that your reaction to a series these fans were begging for finally being adapted was to somehow make it a way grind your axe against shoujo fans, rather than, I dunno, being like "this will make some people happy for a while at least, that's nice" and moving on. Sad way to look at fandom interaction |
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yukikookami55
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What do BL origins have to do with lack of manga getting anime adaptations? I'm well aware of history and all, but that has little to do with the simple fact: BL and shoujo are completely different industries. If BL and shoujo are the same, why aren't we getting multiple BL adaptations too? Do you think BL series can be easily marketed without facing bigotry or scrutiny? When SasaMiya got an adaptation, quite alot of shoujo fans dismissed it as "not shoujo because MC is a guy" or "fetish content". And that was coming from the "progressive" side of animanga. Now imagine how shounen fans dissed on it. As a reminder, SasaMiya is an average HS romcom, but with fudanshi MC as a gimmick. As for shounen comparesens, why should we compare shoujo to a the biggest demo in the undustry of animanga sphere? You're actively shooting yourself on the foot. It's like fans of indie games trying to compete with EA. Sure, there are big selling indies, but they can't ever realistically compete. And EA will still produce more games per year compared to the average indie dev, they simply have more resources. So please, compare shoujo to Yuri and BL, which aren't as blessed with content(although Yuri is getting better stuff recently). |
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DamianSalazar
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*sniff* *sniff* Yep. This guy is baiting y'all. Don't fall for it. |
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