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Takkun4343



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:52 pm Reply with quote
I... think I'm gonna need a little bit more context on why Jean-Karlo hates Koichi Sugiyama so much.
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Cain Highwind



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:15 pm Reply with quote
Takkun4343 wrote:
I... think I'm gonna need a little bit more context on why Jean-Karlo hates Koichi Sugiyama so much.


Eh a lot of fans do. He's essentially a Holocaust denier and a far right nationalist. He went on a conservative tv program and laughed along with its hosts that gay/trans people are better off committing suicide.

Even from all that grossness he's a real jerk about music. He seems to insist on games having poor synth based soundtracks so that he can make more money off doing orchestra concerts (orchestra soundtracks will always be added in remakes and reissues). Basically the music stays rather stale and his stubbornness doesn't allow the music to do anything new. And he owns the music, lock, stock and barrel so SE can't just fire him either.

Anyway back to the article.

Over the last couple of days, I was wondering why there were no episode reviews of Dai showing up thinking, "Is nobody on ANN going to cover Dai? I think some extra word of mouth might help the series reach new fans." So it's much appreciated to see a feature on it. Also *sigh* I feel like the only one who liked Your Story. I feel like the worst problem was that it was just too much to adapt in a 2 hour movie.

Also, it's so baffling we haven't heard anything about a dub yet. No one seems willing to pick it up. Is SE working on something behind the scenes maybe with that console game also coming out (It'd be cool to see it get a British dub like the games and obviously Viz and Funi couldn't do that)? Is it just because of COVID? You'd think Viz would come out and announce an official English release of the manga too as it's NEVER been printed in English before.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:16 pm Reply with quote
I’m doubtful Dragon Quest will ever get a dub when most of the other Toei shows that simulcast on Crunchyroll haven’t had dubs unless they were already licensed by someone else. Like Appmon and the new Digimon reboot still don’t have dubs and neither do the recent Gegege no Kitaro or Healin Good Precure.
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Cain Highwind



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:30 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
I’m doubtful Dragon Quest will ever get a dub when most of the other Toei shows that simulcast on Crunchyroll haven’t had dubs unless they were already licensed by someone else. Like Appmon and the new Digimon reboot still don’t have dubs and neither do the recent Gegege no Kitaro or Healin Good Precure.


That's a good point about Digimon. I'm sure it'll be dubbed eventually. I wonder if they're trying to find a place on TV networks hence the lack of someone like Funi or Viz announcing it. I don't think things like Kitaro or Precure can really compare since Dragon Quest is a game franchise that's at least fairly well known out here. I just can't see why they'd go through the trouble of having the subs use the localized names of they weren't at least considering a dub. I won't pretend I know how it works, I'm just going to theorize Toei's demands must be higher than the norm.
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Mimas



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:32 pm Reply with quote
Jean-Karlo wrote:
And it's still fun and breezy, but like... who cares about the Avan Strash when Dai could be learning Gigaslash?.

Well, the first game that had Gigaslash was Dragon Quest 6, which came out in 1996, more than 6 years after the manga this anime is based on.
There are actually a lot of skills from the games that had origins from Dai.Just recently Dragon Quest XI added in the "Earthsplitter" and "Seasplitter" skills from the manga as skills (Although the localization for the anime did not use these for the translation in the anime subtitles.)

I do feel compelled to put in a good word for Beet the Vandel Buster. The main female character, Poala, gets to be treated like an actual competent character, who gets to have the finishing blow in battles, instead of being stuck only being support or sitting out on the side lines like so many other Shonen. I don't know if it sold well for Viz, but I was surprised they never went back to releasing it after Inada restarted the serialization.

Cain Highwind wrote:

Over the last couple of days, I was wondering why there were no episode reviews of Dai showing up thinking, "Is nobody on ANN going to cover Dai? I think some extra word of mouth might help the series reach new fans." So it's much appreciated to see a feature on it. Also *sigh* I feel like the only one who liked Your Story. I feel like the worst problem was that it was just too much to adapt in a 2 hour movie.


Yeah, I am really glad to see the coverage today. Crunchyroll doesn't have the show under their "Simulcast" section on the main page of their site for some reason, so maybe that makes it harder for people to find? It seems like maybe only Toei is behind the translation and none of the North American anime companies are interested at this time, so I think we won't be seeing a dub any time soon. Viz seems so much more skittish in their licenses these days, so I don't have much hope for that either. There is a new "Perfect" release of the manga in Japan with the colored pages though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:42 am Reply with quote
Cain Highwind wrote:
Also *sigh* I feel like the only one who liked Your Story. I feel like the worst problem was that it was just too much to adapt in a 2 hour movie.


While I can't speak for Your Story, the general complaint I read was over the ending while the rest of the film was fine.

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Also, it's so baffling we haven't heard anything about a dub yet. No one seems willing to pick it up. Is SE working on something behind the scenes maybe with that console game also coming out (It'd be cool to see it get a British dub like the games and obviously Viz and Funi couldn't do that)? Is it just because of COVID? You'd think Viz would come out and announce an official English release of the manga too as it's NEVER been printed in English before.


This is a Toei Animation show, that's why.

As for Viz and the manga. who knows, they have surprised us before with getting Parts 1 & 2 of JoJo after the reboot anime came out plus Jump Force was a seller here so if they get the Dai manga, it'll probably be a while.

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I don't think things like Kitaro or Precure can really compare since Dragon Quest is a game franchise that's at least fairly well known out here. I just can't see why they'd go through the trouble of having the subs use the localized names of they weren't at least considering a dub. I won't pretend I know how it works, I'm just going to theorize Toei's demands must be higher than the norm.


The Dragon Quest games are known sure but have always been niche compared to Japan and especially compared to Final Fantasy & Kingdom Hearts plus aside from recent entries like XI, Square Enix hasn't helped matters with how they have handled the franchise in the west over the years.

As for Toei, they have a history of being difficult so it's always safe to assume the high demands. There's a reason why FUNi, Viz & Sentai don't get their stuff regularly compared to other companies they work with for the newest shows (not counting the obvious like Dragon Ball & One Piece).

With all that said, I would imagine that if there's any movement in regards to a dub or airing, it would start in the countries where the 91 series was most popular in (Latin/South America, Italy & the Middle East) before here.
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:37 am Reply with quote
Cain Highwind wrote:


That's a good point about Digimon. I'm sure it'll be dubbed eventually. I wonder if they're trying to find a place on TV networks hence the lack of someone like Funi or Viz announcing it. I don't think things like Kitaro or Precure can really compare since Dragon Quest is a game franchise that's at least fairly well known out here. I just can't see why they'd go through the trouble of having the subs use the localized names of they weren't at least considering a dub. I won't pretend I know how it works, I'm just going to theorize Toei's demands must be higher than the norm.
Toei went with Crunchyroll for Appmon because they tried shipping around for a TV network and toy deal for two years first and no one was interested enough and I imagine the same is true for the reboot. TV kids anime doesn't do well on American TV anymore and everything is now on streaming. That's why Pokemon is now on Netflix and Yugioh Vrains' dub is finally premiering on Pluto TV two years after the dub first came out in Canada. There just isn't the market for kids anime in the West like there used to be in the early 2000s bubble. And as NJ mentioned, Dragon Quest is well known but not as much as other game franchises like Pokemon which even Pokemon's anime struggles with TV ratings nowadays in the US, so something more niche like Dragon Quest which is also a long running show would be a harder sell to pitch. Maybe when the inevitable Sony/Funimation monopoly happens?
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lostrune



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:12 am Reply with quote
Cain Highwind wrote:
Eh a lot of fans do.


You're grossly overestimating how many people care about his views.. He was recently awarded as a cultural icon of Japan. I'm not sure why Square-Enix would want to fire him to begin with. He's an industry legend and considered a master composer in Japan. I've only seen a handful of westerners complain about his political views, which aren't exactly uncommon in Japan. And I'd say even in the west most people don't care.

NJ__ wrote:
The Dragon Quest games are known sure but have always been niche compared to Japan and especially compared to Final Fantasy & Kingdom Hearts plus aside from recent entries like XI, Square Enix hasn't helped matters with how they have handled the franchise in the west over the years.


Even niche is probably too generous. Dragon Quest is really unpopular in America to the point there's dozens of games not localized for the western audience. An anime not being a high-priority target for companies here either isn't surprising.
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Márcio Voltz Jardim



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:27 pm Reply with quote
The adaptation of Dragon Quest: Adventure of Dai is being incredible. The only thing I regret is that the legend changed the name of the original techniques.
It would also have been great if ANN had covered the review of the episodes, that would give more visibility to the anime, a pity.
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:37 pm Reply with quote
I'm glad for this article but I hope ANN will do reviews of the series in episode chunks instead of waiting till it ends because otherwise it's going to be waiting a long time for a review since it's not being covered in the daily episode review. But thank you for helping to give this series more love because I'm really enjoying it.

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You're grossly overestimating how many people care about his views.. He was recently awarded as a cultural icon of Japan. I'm not sure why Square-Enix would want to fire him to begin with. He's an industry legend and considered a master composer in Japan. I've only seen a handful of westerners complain about his political views, which aren't exactly uncommon in Japan. And I'd say even in the west most people don't care.
As someone who is gay and has an interest in RPGs, I very much care that the composer of Dragon Quest despises my existence and thinks LGBTQ+ people are "unproductive" members of society who don't deserve rights. Also Square Enix has put out a statement condemning the composer's views before so the company clearly doesn't agree with him and Square Enix put it out in response to anger from people in Japan had towards the composer appearing on a Japanese TV program with a bigoted politician and supporting their views. animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-08-07/square-enix-responds-to-dragon-quest-composer-2015-anti-lgbtq-statements/.134974
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:54 pm Reply with quote
"I'm starting to feel a bit numb towards Yuki Hayashi's stuff now that it's in nearly everything I watch...hm? they didn't use the original composer, I wonder why-"

Yeah Ok Yuki Hayashi is a good alternative in this case.

Anyway, I have zero history with dragon quest aside from watching "Your story" with a friend and losing it over the ending, but this is a fun watch and I'm looking forward to actually seeing the full trio unite as an adventuring party.
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Connor Dino



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:17 pm Reply with quote
Animenewsnetwork: "Why You Shouldn't Sleep On Dragon Quest"

Also Animenewsnetwork: Doesn't review the series anime fans shouldn't sleep on, therefore ensuring more people continue to sleep on it.

Cool Laughing

But in all seriousness, this is a fun show. Hopefully more people talk about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:38 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
I’m doubtful Dragon Quest will ever get a dub when most of the other Toei shows that simulcast on Crunchyroll haven’t had dubs unless they were already licensed by someone else. Like Appmon and the new Digimon reboot still don’t have dubs and neither do the recent Gegege no Kitaro or Healin Good Precure.

Digimon Adventure: has GOT to get a dub at some point, I'm sure of it. Unless Toei is being stupid.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:42 am Reply with quote
ZeetherKID77 wrote:
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
I’m doubtful Dragon Quest will ever get a dub when most of the other Toei shows that simulcast on Crunchyroll haven’t had dubs unless they were already licensed by someone else. Like Appmon and the new Digimon reboot still don’t have dubs and neither do the recent Gegege no Kitaro or Healin Good Precure.

Digimon Adventure: has GOT to get a dub at some point, I'm sure of it. Unless Toei is being stupid.


Digimon Adventure got delayed by COVID something hard, yeah? That most likely put a hamper on any attempt at dubbing Digimon. It'll most likely happen, but we gotta give it time I think.

Also, hi, I'm Jean-Karlo! I'm glad people are enjoying my contributions to TWIA. I look forward to talking about stuff that ISN'T a longtime obsession of mine, also talking about more stuff in the future. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:34 pm Reply with quote
I had given up on this show after the first 10 minutes or so, but this TWIA column reinvigorated my interest. Thanks!

Also, I see some of the discussion in the thread has clarified it, but regarding the composer fellow -- would have been nice to have an embedded link where his name appears or some such, clarifying Jean-Karlo's dislike, for those of us who don't pay much attention to that kind of thing.
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