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#844391
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:18 am
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When did I saw I was complaining? I said I was happy they did the scene justice, I just pointed out they left a portion out, it wasn't a complaint.
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Key
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:14 am
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Yeah, the business with Shannon and the lake was one of my least favorite scenes in the source manga. Even though I understood the point of what Shannon was doing, I thought it was awfully heavy-handed and got hand-waved too easily. Sadly, the anime version didn't handle it much better, although intercutting it with scenes of Elias talking to Titania was a nice touch.
Also glad to see Silky's story included, as I was concerned that it might get skipped in the interest of hurrying the story along. (And speaking of that, is anyone else familiar with the manga also getting the impression of the pace being hurried along now compared to earlier in the story?)
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TymersRealm
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:53 am
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I've noticed that too.
Take the montage sequence in ep 13. While it was handled well enough, some of them could of matched a little better to the Manga.
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#844391
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:58 am
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Key wrote: | Yeah, the business with Shannon and the lake was one of my least favorite scenes in the source manga. Even though I understood the point of what Shannon was doing, I thought it was awfully heavy-handed and got hand-waved too easily. Sadly, the anime version didn't handle it much better, although intercutting it with scenes of Elias talking to Titania was a nice touch.
Also glad to see Silky's story included, as I was concerned that it might get skipped in the interest of hurrying the story along. (And speaking of that, is anyone else familiar with the manga also getting the impression of the pace being hurried along now compared to earlier in the story?) |
Up until now the anime has pretty much been a scene by scene duplication of the manga and has been done at a pretty relaxed pace, even including things like the song when she was with the dragons and lots of scenic shots in various areas. However they have been skipping some minor scenes here and there recently. I think they want to reach a certain point in the manga so they're picking up the pace and skimming over minor stuff so as to have more screen time for the major plot points that are coming up. We already saw the scene in the first episode this season which shows roughly what they are aiming for.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:16 pm
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Quote: | Elias getting excited about identifying the feeling of anger |
That wasn't the only thing he got excited about this episode. >.> Bone Daddy indeed...
I was kind of surprised Elias didn't question her on what "girl stuff" meant.
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Lactobacillus yogurti
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:24 pm
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Ruth is the best boy. Hands down.
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Agent355
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:32 am
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As much as I like Alice and that Chise and her are becoming friends, I can't help but see her relationship with Renfred as anything but creepy. Elias "buying an apprentice/bride" is at least questioned by other characters, and we're told he doesn't really know better because he's not quite human. So what's Renfred's excuse for kidnapping a girl off the street and putting her to work in his home as "payment" for saving her? He's human! He knows that there are social services in England for drug addicted homeless kids! What the hell?! No doubt he intends that she become his apprentice and maybe even his wife someday, too. Gross. I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, but what the manga-ka frames as romantic freaks me out a bit.
Lactobacillus yogurti wrote: | Ruth is the best boy. Hands down. |
That's what I've been saying! He's a good boy!
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Blood-
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:30 am
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Interesting that you view Renfred giving Alice the option of leaving behind a life where her parents addicted her and forced her into selling drugs as a "kidnapping." In any case, my interpretation is that he didn't do it out of pity or questionable motives. My interpretation is that vial of orange liquid that crystallized was some sort of sorcerer litmus test that showed she had sorcerer potential. But yes, leaving her on the streets as an addicted child drug dealer would have been SOOOO much less creepy.
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Alan45
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:45 am
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My take is that all Renfred did was rescue a person with magic talent. Unlike the Chise/Elias pairing, there is no indication that he intends to make her is "bride". Also he has shown no romantic interest in her at all. I have to wonder what he would have done if the stuff in the test tube hadn't changed, rescind the offer??
While Renfred (and you) may be aware of what service the UK provides for drug addicted street kids, that is asking an awful lot of the Japanese author.
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Terrible90sDub
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:06 am
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^ To be fair, one of the most common praises for Ancient Magus Bride is how well researched it is in mythology and the general British aspects.
This was definitely one of the most uneasy episodes in awhile, but the worst for me was how Elias spied on her the whole time and then followed it up with the generic "I'm only looking out for you" excuse. If you're going to use tired old excuses like that be a bit more creative when he's a skull faced magician! At least a "oh yes, I spied on you, but it's customary for my kind to send flying camera jellyfish after people on Yuletide Eve" She does have a habit of getting into dangerous situations, but it would've been less cringe had he confronted her directly about it.
I've been hoping from the beginning that Chise will resist him and cause a reaction that ends with him realizing that he needs to change some of this. This is now fairly far into the series and the most we've gotten is her getting a bit upset because she wants to know more about him, which... isn't quite on the same level.
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Agent355
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:55 pm
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Blood- wrote: | Interesting that you view Renfred giving Alice the option of leaving behind a life where her parents addicted her and forced her into selling drugs as a "kidnapping." In any case, my interpretation is that he didn't do it out of pity or questionable motives. My interpretation is that vial of orange liquid that crystallized was some sort of sorcerer litmus test that showed she had sorcerer potential. But yes, leaving her on the streets as an addicted child drug dealer would have been SOOOO much less creepy. |
So you see that he was looking around for a street kid with sorcerer potential, rather than trying to help anyone out of pity, and that doesn't seem a bit questionable?
Alan45 wrote: | My take is that all Renfred did was rescue a person with magic talent. Unlike the Chise/Elias pairing, there is no indication that he intends to make her is "bride". Also he has shown no romantic interest in her at all. I have to wonder what he would have done if the stuff in the test tube hadn't changed, rescind the offer??
While Renfred (and you) may be aware of what service the UK provides for drug addicted street kids, that is asking an awful lot of the Japanese author. |
Would it be a lot to ask her to be aware of doctors, hospitals or schools, too? Renfred nursed Alice through withdrawal at home--a medically precarious state, especially for a kid--without seeking professional medical help. Then he doesn't enroll her in school or anything--years later, the only acquaintances she seems to have in London are the kids who took advantage of her. Instead, he keeps her in his house and has her clean up his books for him--a dangerous task that she doesn't seem all that happy about. As for potential romantic interest there's a line later in the manga about how magical people, mages and sorcerers alike, tend to marry their apprentices eventually.... It all adds up to "guy looks specifically to find a girl with magical potential to take in, makes sure she's already off the grid so no one will notice if she's taken further off the grid", which is basically kidnapping.
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yuna49
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:38 pm
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Terrible90sDub wrote: | the worst for me was how Elias spied on her the whole time and then followed it up with the generic "I'm only looking out for you" excuse. |
I didn't like that either, but neither he nor Chise are honest with each other. She wanted to go but didn't think he'd allow it. He let her escape but tracked her movements. They need to work things like this out. Elias especially needs to figure out how to let Chise have a relationship with Alice that both women desperately need.
I would have been especially disappointed if I were Chise and learned Elias had watched me buy his present and thus spoil the surprise!
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Key
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:39 pm
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Given how thoroughly Chise has demonstrated a penchant for getting into sometimes-life-threatening trouble and exercising questionable judgment, and the fact that her special nature can literally attract problems, I'd say it would be irresponsible of Elias not to keep tabs on her when she slinks off like she did.
I'm really not clear what can be pointed to as a sign of Renfred being creepy, either. Even just based on the animated content, he's given not the slightest hint of any untoward intentions towards Alice and has previously demonstrated that he cares about her in a fatherly fashion.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:16 pm
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Key wrote: | I'm really not clear what can be pointed to as a sign of Renfred being creepy, either. Even just based on the animated content, he's given not the slightest hint of any untoward intentions towards Alice and has previously demonstrated that he cares about her in a fatherly fashion. |
Unfortunately, some viewers don't bother to take any kind of contexual background into consideration. They simply do the unnaunced math: 1 adult + 1 young girl = creepiness, no questions asked.
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Terrible90sDub
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:18 pm
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yuna49 wrote: |
I didn't like that either, but neither he nor Chise are honest with each other. She wanted to go but didn't think he'd allow it. He let her escape but tracked her movements. They need to work things like this out. Elias especially needs to figure out how to let Chise have a relationship with Alice that both women desperately need.
I would have been especially disappointed if I were Chise and learned Elias had watched me buy his present and thus spoil the surprise! |
Ah yeah, I agree with this as they both still need to grow. This situation only seems a bit worse on Elias' end for me since he has more power over her. Her sneaking off was coming from a position of less freedom, and he can track her or forbid her from going places, but she can't really do the same in return.
I was a bit surprised he didn't realize what she bought him, but that part thankfully worked out for the best!
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Given how thoroughly Chise has demonstrated a penchant for getting into sometimes-life-threatening trouble and exercising questionable judgment, and the fact that her special nature can literally attract problems, I'd say it would be irresponsible of Elias not to keep tabs on her when she slinks off like she did. |
I'll repeat that this could've been avoided by confronting her directly the moment he realized this. Even had he forbade her from going on her own, this could've been used to work out a compromise as there are quite a few other solutions for this. For example, he could have contacted Angelica to meet Chise and look after her during her trip to London, asked beforehand if he can keep watch over her, or found a magical way to communicate regularly during the trip since they don't seem to have cellphones. She wasn't completely alone either, as she did have Ruth.
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