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EP. REVIEW: The Ancient Magus' Bride

You'll have to find them yourself, because I'm not fetching examples of characters and situations that have nothing to do with AMB for this thread.

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All I've done is ask you to provide examples consistent with your presumption that a child MC in a fantasy story would need validation in order to not become suicidal or lose their wits. That is your presumption, as that is the only reason that a lack of validation would have such an immense negative impact on Chise to utterly break her. If, instead, you do not have that presumption and agree with me that such validation is not required, then it simply doesn't matter whether others believe what Chise is seeing.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

@鏡 All I've done is ask you to provide examples consistent with your presumption that a child MC in a fantasy story would need validation in order to not become suicidal or lose their wits. That is your presumption, as that is the only reason that a lack of validation would have such an immense negative impact on Chise to utterly break her. If, instead, you do not have that presumption and agree with me that such validation is not required, then it simply doesn't matter whether others believe what Chise is seeing.

That isn't my presumption, and the absence of that presumption entails nothing about the meaning of other people's beliefs regarding Chise's sight. You can read my post explaining the origins of Chise's emotional state again if you genuinely didn't understand it but want to.

Ok, so you agree with me that validation is unecessary in thus context. Thus, it doesn't matter whether others believed Chise or not.

The magical world is not her problem, as any bullied kid with that circumstance could be substituted in.

The fact that the bullying and suicide of her mom appears to be not due to anything specific to her, but simply because she kept saying things other people didn't believe

well that indicates that (1) she could stop the bullying and ultimate suicide of her mother at any time

and (2) the fact that she didn't choose option 1 is highly illogical and pretty inauthentic. I don't think I have ever met a child that relished the idea of being bullied to the extent that they kept openly doing the thing that resulted in the bullying, especially something as simple as speaking particular words.

but simply because she kept saying things other people didn't believe, well that indicates that (1) she could stop the bullying and ultimate suicide of her mother at any time, and (2) the fact that she didn't choose option 1 is highly illogical and pretty inauthentic. I don't think I have ever met a child that relished the idea of being bullied to the extent that they kept openly doing the thing that resulted in the bullying, especially something as simple as speaking particular words.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

but simply because she kept saying things other people didn't believe, well that indicates that (1) she could stop the bullying and ultimate suicide of her mother at any time, and (2) the fact that she didn't choose option 1 is highly illogical and pretty inauthentic. I don't think I have ever met a child that relished the idea of being bullied to the extent that they kept openly doing the thing that resulted in the bullying, especially something as simple as speaking particular words.

Are you saying that Chise, as a little kid, was illogical because she couldn't ignore the creepy, disgusting little monsters everywhere that only she could see? You really don't understand why a little kid seeing monsters everywhere would kinda start going crazy when she was the only one seeing them? Or did I misunderstand you?

When she was a little child, her seeing that stuff would be considered as an active imagination and would not result in bullying.

Also, given that she was never maimed by any of these creatures, if she was seeing them, say from birth, why would she even be afraid of them? They would be as natural to her as breathing.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

When she was a little child, her seeing that stuff would be considered as an active imagination and would not result in bullying.

It wouldn't be considered that because there's a massive difference in the behaviour of a child engaging in imaginative play and the behaviour of a child confronted with a real monster.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

Also, given that she was never maimed by any of these creatures, if she was seeing them, say from birth, why would she even be afraid of them? They would be as natural to her as breathing.

Probably because they look horrifying and for...all of the reasons I've already explained.

Have you seen little children playing imagination time? They say all kinds of weird stuff and talk about imaginary things as if they are real right in front of them. That's normal. When I was a little kid I'm sure I said all kinds of crazy stuff about my imaginary adventures.

Fear is learned. Otherwise, children wouldn't need constant supervision. If you saw creatures from birth that no one else saw, and those creatures never harmed you, you would have no reason to fear them

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

Have you seen little children playing imagination time? They say all kinds of weird stuff and talk about imaginary things as if they are real right in front of them. That's normal. When I was a little kid I'm sure I said all kinds of crazy stuff about my imaginary adventures.

Uh, yes. There's a massive difference between the emotional relationship between a child and their imaginary friend and a child and a literal monster, and a consequent difference between how that child would behave.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

Fear is learned. Otherwise, children wouldn't need constant supervision. If you saw creatures from birth that no one else saw, and those creatures never harmed you, you would have no reason to fear them

I don't think you need to teach a child to be afraid of a dead person's hand beckoning them forth.

And why is that? If you saw a hand beckoning you from birth, and saw that hand every day for the next 7 years, why would you be afraid of it? If anything, someone later telling you that dead person hands are scary would contradict your experience. To you, that hand would be a friendly greeting. Again, fear comes from experience. We are afraid of things because they harm us or people teach us that we should fear them.