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Zalis116
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:26 pm
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HeeroTX wrote: |
hentai4me wrote: | Does anyone know of any series in which they try to portray the romance of the entire class or group of friends? for example three or four guys and their crushes/girlfriends and the friends of the girls, etc. The whole mish-mash of real relationships? |
Depending on the age range you're willing to deal with, Kodocha (with preTeens) and Kare Kano (with High School) do this. I think Marmalade Boy does it too, but I never really watched most of that. To really get the story for Kare Kano, you need to read the manga though. Since the anime stops about in the middle. |
Honey & Clover is pretty good for that, and it involved college studetns / adults.
School Days...I don't know, after W Wish, I decided that I needed to stop watching series just because they're based on a dating-sim game, and with the ever-present backlog, I'm a little reluctant to take on more. I'll be checking back on this thread for improvements, though.
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frentymon
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:41 pm
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OK, after extensive reading up on the franchise, there's no way I'm not watching this.
Episode 1 in relation to the entire series itself seems to be somewhat analogous to Episode 1 of Narutaru and the overall series, it's almost purposefully tame and misleading. I'd be willing to bet that the chance of this series following perfectly like a normal slice-of-life series is near 0, and at the very least it will turn into a love triangle full of intense hatred.
It seems that out of the 21 possible endings in the game, only 3 were "bloody" endings although there were some others that were atypical ("lesbian" ending, pregnant ending, etc.). I'm not sure how likely it is that one of the 3 "bloody" endings will show up, but there apparently are many other "merits" that still make it f*cked up (for lack of a better term) even if there never will be any violence. About Makoto, he's apparently a "character you love to hate" of sorts, not just in a "indecisive Takayuki" sense, but an actual scumbag who intentially does hurtful things. So far he seems pretty okay in Episode 1, but hints of his "bad side" already seem to be showing.
After knowing all this and finishing Episode 1, the "shadow-statue crowds" thing barely bothers me at all. The only thing that's left bothering me is Sekai. I mean, why the hell would you hook a guy up with someone else, only to kiss him not a day later?? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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hentai4me
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:43 pm
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frentymon wrote: |
After knowing all this and finishing Episode 1, the "shadow-statue crowds" thing barely bothers me at all. The only thing that's left bothering me is Sekai. I mean, why the hell would you hook a guy up with someone else, only to kiss him not a day later?? That doesn't make any sense at all. |
Indeed, it is this kind of ridiculous, illogical and unrealistic thinking that really ruins these kinds of series.
I have already seen Kare Kano and Honey & Clover, as well as ones less about romance like Nodame Cantabile.
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Buster Blader 126
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:44 pm
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frentymon wrote: | OK, after extensive reading up on the franchise, there's no way I'm not watching this.
Episode 1 in relation to the entire series itself seems to be somewhat analogous to Episode 1 of Narutaru and the overall series... |
I stopped reading as soon as I saw that part of the sentence. o_o
I haven't watched/read Shadow Star Narutaru, but I've heard about how the series changes its tone at one point in the series, and series that change like that interest me greatly. Rumbling Hearts/Kimi ga Nozomu Eien is one series that comes into mind.
This title was already seemed to be right up my alley, as it is a romance/drama series. But with what I've read in the past day in this thread and on AoD, I'm not going to delay watching this any further.
I have a feeling that I'm going to really like this series.
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HitokiriShadow
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:45 pm
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Buster Blader 126 wrote: |
I haven't watched/read Shadow Star Narutaru, but I've heard about how the series changes its tone at one point in the series, and series that change like that interest me greatly. Rumbling Hearts/Kimi ga Nozomu Eien is one series that comes into mind.
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Narutaru has a horribly happy and misleading opening, but the show itself doesn't really change tone. It's never happy, it starts out kind of solemn and just descends from there.
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LuckySleven
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:55 pm
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Episode 2 was alright I guess, nothing really stand out except the part in the theater . It showed what men shouldn't do on the first date. Seeing Itou reading that magazine full of swim suit models with Katsura standing right there just makes you think of idiocy. Also again Sekai helps out with the relationship.
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frentymon
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:15 pm
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Episode 2 was a lot better than Episode 1, and already there seems to be trouble brewing.
Potential signs of Makoto's @$$hole-ness:
- Reading porn mags on a date. Seriously, how dense can you get?
- Trying to forcefully kiss her. She doesn't like it, but he doesn't take the hint .
- Using dating books to try and make his date go well, and scheming thoroughly how exactly he's going to kiss her. Which makes it seem like he thinks of her as a plaything.
- Not listening to Katsura's wishes. She obviously wanted to watch the horror movie but Makoto drags her to the romance movie anyway. Probably a ploy for him to try to get his way with her.
- Not caring about her in any way besides physically. He makes all these comments about her body and doesn't seem to care about her personality or anything like that at all. Also holds a not-completely-benign belief that she "wants" him and the only reason she's not fondling him or something is because she's shy. This belief will probably get the better of him eventually (or soon, rather).
- Tries to forcefully kiss her a second time, which warrants a justified slap.
- Putting the blame on Sekai to save face ("she told me you were shy, so...", "she was the one who bought the tickets, so..."). He also seems to disregard Sekai completely even after all she's done with him (including hooking him up with the girl in the first place).
- Katsura's "I'm sorry" instead of the typical "Thank you very much for today" after the date is a clear indication that she didn't appreciate his behavior on their date.
- And he still thinks to himself, "Where did I go wrong?" Really a dense guy.
Of course he finally sees his errors after Sekai takes all the trouble to point them out, and swears that he'll never do that again, but he'll probably forget all about that soon and do even worse things to Katsura, and probably Sekai too. Sekai's blind devotion to Makoto doesn't really help much, either.
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sizzlin_chiken
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:36 pm
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I'm reading some posts and some people don't seem to like this series as much. I don't think this series is top notch material but it is pretty good. The characters, like all the other school life animes, are very different but they always seem to get along because they're different. They have their little quarrels and that's what makes it interesting. I like these kinda shows whether the anime is the best or whether it's the worst. It's the story that draws me in.
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HitokiriShadow
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:34 pm
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Wow, Makoto is a moron. If I'm supposed to like the main character, this episode didn't do a good job of facilitating that.
Needs moar Setsuna.
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frentymon
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:48 pm
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Episode 3 flew right by me, the only thing really noteworthy is Makoto's quip at the very end: "Dating Kotonoha is really...tiring." That says it all; it summarizes basically the entire episode, foreshadows what is to come, and gives us more insight into Makoto's personality just by his very definition of "tiring".
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LuckySleven
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:53 pm
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frentymon wrote: | Episode 3 flew right by me, the only thing really noteworthy is Makoto's quip at the very end: "Dating Kotonoha is really...tiring." That says it all; it summarizes basically the entire episode, foreshadows what is to come, and gives us more insight into Makoto's personality just by his very definition of "tiring". |
I agree, I had my hopes up episode 3. Other than the ending of the episode, we see that Sekai works as a waitress at a restuarant called Radish wearing her work uniform which I found awfully revealing for a minor. Also that Setsuna Kiyoura may par take the club.
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Buster Blader 126
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:41 pm
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HitokiriShadow wrote: |
Narutaru has a horribly happy and misleading opening, but the show itself doesn't really change tone. It's never happy, it starts out kind of solemn and just descends from there. |
Ahh, I see.
Anyways, having watched Episode 2, signs of trouble are already visibly present, as frentymon had mentioned. Seriously, who flips through magazines with "suggestive material" on their first date?
I'm beginning to think that Makoto is actually pretty aggressive in nature. The first time I thought of this was when he pushed Sekai against the fence during Episode 1, as well as the events of Episode 2.
One quick question. With what I'm hearing about Makoto being one of the worst male characters in the genre, is he worse than say, Yamato Akitsuki?
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frentymon
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:43 pm
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Buster Blader 126 wrote: | With what I'm hearing about Makoto being one of the worst male characters in the genre, is he worse than say, Yamato Akitsuki? |
Akitsuki doesn't even come close. Makoto is much, much worse. You'll see.
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darkchibi07
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:26 pm
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frentymon wrote: | Episode 3 flew right by me, the only thing really noteworthy is Makoto's quip at the very end: "Dating Kotonoha is really...tiring." That says it all; it summarizes basically the entire episode, foreshadows what is to come, and gives us more insight into Makoto's personality just by his very definition of "tiring". |
Another few small moments that'll add to Makoto's "personality" were he was little too excited to go into Katsura's home. You can pretty much imply what he wants there. Also in the train station when Katsura told him to close his eyes, he expected her to kiss him on the lips again but got it on the cheek instead. He seemed shocked and disappointed.
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frentymon
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:43 pm
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Episode 4 was so utterly ridiculous and the characters so ridiculously irrational and the whole setup so irrationally silly that it was just comedy gold. It's now pretty much apparent that Makoto was not in any way "toned down" from his sleazy bastard game self...in fact, he's even gotten an upgrade in sleaziness!
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