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NEWS: Shota Community, Other LiveJournal Accounts Suspended

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Sorry. ALL the shouta I've ever seen is out the yaoi community meaning it's ALL man/boy or boy/boy. I have never seen older woman/boy shouta titles.

I think the vast majority of shota material is male/male, but straight shota does exist.

Don't know what angers me more livejournals actions or this post by an idiotic member of innocence_jihad:

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So I don't know what the hell to do with this strange announcement about a deleted journal of an "out" pedophile which I found here on a site about pedophilia. (found via fandom_wank) while compiling links for this. I mean he is probably harmless. I wonder how long he'll last. And if he knows his kink and his wife is cool with it it is none of my damn business. But still. O_o 120+ links from all over about strikethough2007 inlcuding multiple sites to back up your lj, alternative blog sites, lists of people leaving lj and arriving at GJ. All in one place.

He's probably harmless? WHAT THE HELL? The innocent really need to distance themselves from these freaks.

You see, this is where we diverge, and this is where I believe responsibility comes in. I do not fight for you, because I do not believe in your cause. I do not believe in your cause because I believe that your cause is detrimental to anime fandom as a whole.

Cicero wrote, in his On Obligations wrote this:

Marcus Tullius Cicero wrote:

[T]here is no aspect of life, public or private, civic or domestic, which can be without its obligation, whether in our individual concerns or in relations with our neighbor. Honorable behavior lies entirely in the performance of such obligations, and likewise base conduct lies in neglecting them.

You do have a responsibility to the grerater whole to at least keep your loli tendencies out of the light, because I do believe, as I have argued ad nauseam this would touch off a moral panic. We are seein gthat right now on LiveJournal.

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The drama is over, the battle remains. Nothing's over until the "Rape all the children" group gets treated the same as the "let's enjoy knitting" group.

THAT I find monstrous. That somehow everyone should be completely equal, with no judgments passed on their conduct as if there is no discernable difference between a group of pedophiles and a group of philosophers. Again you want all appetite with no moderating reason. You want anarchy. I refuse to accept that.

Again, from Cicero:

Cicero wrote:

[T]he reason commands, and the appetite obeys. Our every action must steer clear of rashness and carelessness, and must do nothing for which a praiseworthymotive cannot be adduced; indeed, this is virtually a description of obligation. We must ensure that our appetites obey the reason, and neither run ahead of it nor shrink from it through cowardice. They must be serene and clear of all mental disturbance, and this will ensure that steadfastness and self-restraint will emerge in all their glory.

Well we really screwed this one up…
For reasons we are still trying to figure out what was supposed to be a well planned attempt to clean up a few journals that were violating LiveJournal's policies that protect minors turned into a total mess. I can only say I’m sorry, explain what we did wrong and what we are doing to correct these problems and explain what we were trying to do but messed up so completely.
What we did wrong;
1) Over the last couple of days we have suspended (not deleted) about 500 journals out of many millions on LJ.
2) It is now clear that in an unfortunate number of cases these journals were suspended for easily correctable problems in their profiles that would then allow them to be reinstated and that this was not communicated to the journal or community owners at all.
3) Further, because of miscommunication these journals were taken down before review could be completed to avoid mistakes.

How we are fixing it.
1) Over the next few hours we will review the journals that were taken down and wherever appropriate we will restore these journals or communities before 12 noon PDT. Sorry it will take that long but we do not want to reinstate true and clear violators of community policy.
2) In some cases Journals that were restored will be asked to clarify their profiles to avoid the appearance that they are soliciting or encouraging illegal activities.
3) Journals that we do not restore will be journals that we are fairly sure are actually intended to encourage activities that put minors at risk but we will review them if requested by their owner to be certain that we did not make a mistake.
4) In cases that we ask owners to clarify their profiles and they fail to do so within 7 days we will suspend their journals again.

Isn't this all just a panicked reaction to WFI?
Not really. WFI or anyone else may complain but we are responsible for applying our policies to those complaints. . Even idiots can be right about some things. We try not to judge the complaint by the source but rather judge them by our policies. I believe the problem here was not the complaints or the policies but our very poor execution.

does this have anything to do with why Livejournal is offline today?

Privately, I have an obligation, if one can call it that, not to exceed the speed of light or produce a triangle whose angles do not add up to pi.

Steroid wrote:

Privately, I have an obligation, if one can call it that, not to exceed the speed of light or produce a triangle whose angles do not add up to pi.

Angles of a triangle, adding up to pi? Would you like to take a moment to revise that sentence?

- abunai

Steroid wrote:

Privately, I have an obligation, if one can call it that, not to exceed the speed of light or produce a triangle whose angles do not add up to pi.

Angles of a triangle, adding up to pi? Would you like to take a moment to revise that sentence?

HitokiriShadow wrote:

Quote: Sorry. ALL the shouta I've ever seen is out the yaoi community meaning it's ALL man/boy or boy/boy. I have never seen older woman/boy shouta titles. I think the vast majority of shota material is male/male, but straight shota does exist.

Thanks.
I suppose it would cover things like Mahoromatic & Midori Days, but I always considered those more male fantasies. I detest the teacher in Mahoro since she is so far outside her bounds as a teacher & I only saw one ep of Midori at con which was enough. Or was it Dears? I think it was Midori. Responsible adults have the responsibility to say no to minors.

If you have no obligation to the loli fan to fight for his right to read loli, what obligation has he to cover up loli to protect your right to read non-loli manga?

abunai wrote:

Steroid wrote: Privately, I have an obligation, if one can call it that, not to exceed the speed of light or produce a triangle whose angles do not add up to pi. Angles of a triangle, adding up to pi? Would you like to take a moment to revise that sentence?

He used radian unit (which is much, much more useful in calculus and analytical geometry) instead of the more common but less useful degree unit (180°). One can always create a triangle with angles don't add up to pi by making it on a curved surface instead of a plane.

That is a fine declaration, but where is its support? To me it is not self-evident, unless he speaks of obligations to nature. Privately, I have an obligation, if one can call it that, not to exceed the speed of light or produce a triangle whose angles do not add up to pi.

From our childhood we have learned, my Quintus,(Quintus Tullius Cicero -- Marcus' brother --ed.) to call such phrases as this "that a man appeals to justice, and goes to law," and many similar expressions "law," but, nevertheless, we should understand that these, and other similar commandments and prohibitions, have sufficient power to lead us on to virtuous actions and to call us away from vicious ones. Which power is not only far more ancient than any existence of states and people, but is coeval with God himself, who beholds and governs both heaven and earth. For it is impossible that the divine mind can exist in a state devoid of reason; and divine reason must necessarily be possessed of a power to determine what is virtuous and what is vicious.

Publicly, my responsibilty is to avoid infringing on the rights of others to act as they will. That alone is the extent of moral behavior. I do not require honor, I do require adherance to a moral code.

But I am not part of a formal group called manga fandom. I am a manga fan, but that does not make me part of a group.

The only way it does is when I contract with a seller to buy a manga. That transaction is a closed circle between me and the seller; it morally affects no other sellers or buyers. I see no responsibility to make sure that you get your non-loli manga or that LJ stays familty-friendly.

My best course of action is to find a series of other private parties that celebrate pedophila.

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The drama is over, the battle remains. Nothing's over until the "Rape all the children" group gets treated the same as the "let's enjoy knitting" group.

THAT I find monstrous. That somehow everyone should be completely equal, with no judgments passed on their conduct as if there is no discernable difference between a group of pedophiles and a group of philosophers. Again you want all appetite with no moderating reason. You want anarchy. I refuse to accept that.

If all they are doing is talking and writing, then morally there is no difference between philosophers and pedophiles.

Again, when it comes to private parties, everything is fine. If a group wants to contact LJ and demand takedowns, they can do so. If LJ wants to accede, it may do so. If I want to rant at them and call them wrong, I may do so. If I turn around and found a site that allows pedophilia groups but bans discussions on enforcing moralities I do not agree with, I may do so also.

I would not suffer such a person to stay in my home, or in any territory I controlled.

What is the benefit that accrues if steadfastness and self-restraint emerge?

I do not hold them as self-evident goods, indeed, I hold self-restraint as a nearly self-evident evil. Self-restraint is a confession of impotence and a complaint of poor providence by nature.