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mufurc
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Or he just had the misfortune of seeing some of the official artwork for both the anime and the manga before watching the series. I've no problems with the anime - it's not my cup of tea, but I agree that it's not fanservice-y (except the moe overload which I find fanservice in itself). But damn, the official artwork makes up for it. I mean, come on: this or this or this... Don't tell me this is not fanservice, and after looking at official artwork like this, I think it's pretty obvious who the primary target of the show are. Last edited by mufurc on Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ThirdWizard
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It's sort of like Tsukoyomi Moon Phase. The actual anime is innocent, but the opening sequence is a loli-con wet dream. Makes me sad inside. I blame marketers. Marketers are evil incarnate. It doesnt' mean that's the target, it means marketers are trying to increase revenue by taking advantage of the loli-con demographic, which, as far as I know, is fairly large in Japanese otaku circles. |
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Kamui4356
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I will argue the first one. There's nothing overtly fanservicy in it, beyond the bathing suit, which I don't believe is enough on it's own to warrent the label. The second and third are unquestionably service from the angles and poses, though I don't see anything sexual in it. Well, maybe the icepop Anna's holding in the third one, but I don't really go in for that freudian stuff. Sometimes an icepop is just an icepop. |
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Pleroma
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Hehe, just came across this, its an article about AOL's recent information leak
This made me LOL
DAMN you Yugi, you sexy beast! |
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PantsGoblin
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I just want to comment on this as it is something I have did not comment on before.
While I agree that one of its marketing points are the little girls in it, I would highly disagree that Higurashi is doing so well solely because of that. If it were just the loli I was looking for, I'd rather watch something else since Higurashi doesn't even remotely sexualize its characters. Higurashi is such a hit because of its horror elements, complex story, great characters, and... well, it's just plain awesome. I'm sure the loli characters play a part in some of its popularity but it would be a huge stretch to say that it's the main reason people are watching it. I can tell you I'd be watching this anime whether or not it had any loli characters in it. Now, I do agree that one of the main selling points in Strawberry Marshmallow and Today in Class 5-2 is the loli element though. Just what I think though... |
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Kilgamayan
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Do you enjoy anime, the internet or anything else? I bet you do enjoy something else. Serial killing falls under "anything else", so therefore you're a murderer. Kindly turn yourself into your local precinct. By the way, lolicon also falls under "anything else". Guess that makes you a pedophile, you sicko. Last edited by Kilgamayan on Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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Why the hell are you throwing in Yugioh? Or were you trying to make a point. I can agree with Zac if the fact of the matter is a show being aired after hours is trying to appeal to college aged guys, you are definetly right. When I was in Japan I saw a couple shows myself where girls were the main characters and sometimes they'd be in skimpy outfits. Only thing is I never saw any loli on television. If it is not accessible to the public by public means, how is it harming the public, unless it were made accessible to the public. By the public, of the public, for the public.
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PantsGoblin
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For humor purposes, thus the "LOL". I agree it was funny that that was there too. |
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frentymon
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The original doujin game does have H content in it though. |
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epixeltwin
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and what about child porn? |
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Mint Mania IIDX
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Yes, and considering that most lolicon drawings do not contain or even realistically (sp?) depict living, breathing children, I once again fail to see the issue here. Last edited by Mint Mania IIDX on Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:22 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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Which brings us back to why there really is no point to this discussion anymore. |
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epixeltwin
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I agree with MOST of what you said in your previous posts. In fact, I share most of your views. But I simply can't accept the fact that there's an industry about little girls having sex. Oh, I respect hentai watchers who just have a preference about young-looking girls. I think I'd have that preference myself if I were watching hentai. And yes, it's kind of a personal opinion. I mean, there's always been that debate about children having sex in society, but it's just not morally accepted by everyone, and that's the way it is. And about an animated video of a woman being raped and killed, would you watch it if that's all there was to it? I have no problem with the normal hentai watcher. I just find the child-obsessed, basement-dweller otaku kinda scary when he comes out yelling his love for loli. After having read a bit and researched on loli, I don't think it's harmful, but maybe, just maybe, there should be a limit to it. A line drawn. Like, make the girls 13 so it goes with Japan's age of consentment. I don't know. I absolutely abhor the thoughts of people like Unhealthyman and OnePieceFanatic who would repress everything without distinction just because of their convictions. But as I don't really like the fact that 10-year-olds are being raped by their dad to put on the internet, I don't really like that some people make anime about it. And I AM preoccupied about the image of the anime community this throws back at people. My wish is that loli would be underground, and that it would depict girls that had their puberty. I just don't get why anyone would NEED loli. |
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Kilgamayan
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Again, yes, because it's illegal as long as it involves real children or very realistic depictions of children. EDIT:
You don't have to need something to enjoy it. Do you NEED anime? No, you would be able to proceed with a normal everyday life without it. When someone psychologically breaks down to the point where they NEED loli to carry on with their normal daily routine, that's probably when federal eyebrows should be raised. Last edited by Kilgamayan on Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mint Mania IIDX
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*sigh* We can't even have civil debate about this sort of thing without people twisting logic, name calling, or whatever. Back when not4chan was up, did anyone ever see when actual CP would get posted? The entire board would riot, the IRC would fill with "GET THIS SHIT OFF OF NOT4CHAN"... Everyone would just freak out. Why? Because it was considered disgusting. By a lolicon community. Sure, there were probably users that saved it as well, but you can't honestly say that kind of negative reaction comes from people who are fans of it. Edit:
Those who need it are those who have addictions to it, and as I said, too much of anything is never good. I truly believe that the basement-dwelling lolicon collectors that hug their Sakura body pillows do have issues they need to take care of that go beyond the bounds of a lolicon preference, and I'm trying to point out that the generalization that many anime fans here are fearing is the very same kind of generalization they are tossing out at the lolicon community, thus showing their hypocrisy. It's like saying that all nerds and geeks have thick glasses, own two-story anime collections, and spend all of their time coding in C++ on their Linux-enabled computers. It's a silly stereotype, and while stereotypes are often based on fact, they do not necessarily represent majority. Lolicon is a gateway for child rape in the same light that marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs: the problem does not lie with the substance, the problem lies with the person who simply wants more fantasy in his reality. We as a community, be it lolicon, anime, gaming, or societal, draw the line there. Don't bring your fantasy into our reality. The moment this happens, whatever material you based your fantasy on is not to blame. You, the person who brought the fantasy forward, are to blame. |
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