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NyuuChan
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Buzzing about in the small confines of my mind; why does it seem, that many (possibly more or less) anime fans seem to have a mindset, that most popular anime, is instantly garbage, due to the fact that it is popular. My question, is: why?
i will admit, there have been alot of popular series (Pokemon, DBZ, ect.) that are, indeed, pure and utter overrated garbage. These series do in fact support the "popular is crap" mindset. However....many of my favorite anime series, are pretty popular. For example, Fullmetal Alchemist, Bleach, Naruto, Gundam SEED, Gundam SEED Destiny, Endless Waltz, and so on. So, why does it seem that a majority (or large group of) people, seem to think all popular anime is crap? on the contrary, i think more of the shit anime, is in the other category; little heard of, "underground" anime. Why? Well, isn't it common sense? there's more underground, unheard of series, than there are Popular ones. So, there's more potential for there to be bad stuff there. And, from what i've seen, there is. |
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Vortextk
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It's like that cause everything is like that. Music, art, movies, anime, television; it doesn't matter. Everything goes in the same trend, "unknown is cool". It's really stupid and I get sick of people that act like they're better because they "know the underground" of something.
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NyuuChan
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see, i get what you're saying. I'm just lost at WHY they think like this. Yes, it is indeed true, some "underground" music (Out Of Line) is good, some underground movies (High Tension) are superb, some unheard of anime (Mushishi) is amazing. However, alot of normal music, TV, and Anime is good....(System of a Down, Friends, Gundam SEED). I guess im just lost, as to why it makes them feel cool to like things no one's heard of...It's not like you can talk with others about it, because no one has heard of it. So....yeah. Why? |
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TranceLimit174
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Personally I think it's the fans. They can leave a sour taste in one's mouth. It's how I was when Naruto first came out. People would just go "OMFG NARUTO JUTSU!!!" So I said to myself I'd see what all the fuss is about and when I read the first volume it just didn't live up to the expectations. What I think it is, is that fans treat shows like FMA and SEED like it's the friggin gospel, and so when another fan watches these series the expectations have been built up too high. With Naruto, based on the fan uproar I expected to just be floored, well I wasn't. So I think fans contribute. Also as a connection to that, I think older fans get a little annoyed when the "newer generation" doesn't appreciate the older anime that paved the way for the anime they love. Taking SEED and Wing as examples, there are fans who love those series yet don't really acknowledge the UC. Well chances are they wouldn't have Wing and SEED if it weren't for the Universal Century (it bugs me too when older anime is ignored to an extent).
It's like being crazy about rock but then not acknowledging the Beatles for what they did for the genre. It also might be that popular anime isn't as "artistic." Not to say that this is always the case but there are popular anime out there (personally I think InuYasha is one) that bank on stereotypical characters, plots, and cliches. But it's a formula that fans eat up so it becomes popular. So I guess popular anime is seen as more of a commercialism thing than making a quality series with artistic merit (but to be fair all anime is made for the sake of making money otherwise it wouldn't exist). |
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NeonGEvangelion
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People who say Popular Anime is crap are people with clouded judgement. Their willed ignorance isnt bliss. I do agree some popular Anime is utter garbage, then there are those that are phenominal.
As to popular Anime not being "Artistic", you are very wrong. A lot of popular Anime has been known through their Animation. I personally dispise people who are like this, and I wish these people would open their eyes and see the light. The term Underground is usually used for low quality, bootlegged stuff with no potential at all to succeed. THIS IS ALL SPECULATION/OPINIONS, ANY FLAMING SHOULD BE PMED TO ME! |
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camelot187757
 Posts: 426 Location: The Nacirema Dream (17 and counting Asuka) |
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(IMO) Its a person's natural instinct to hate on anything that is popular or more popular than whatever they may personally enjoy. Its kind of like a "if you don't like me and my sh*t then f*ck you and your sh*t" kind of thing. One person may like some kind of popular anime that gets loads of great reviews and respect and another person may like some other anime that they bought in Where-the-Hell-Is-That,Arkansas from mom and pop store for 3 dollars and be like "man...THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE SH*T" and then when they ask around and no one else has heard it, they naturally become defensive and that turns into offense and thus the "DBZ is stupid, Shikiyouku-makachakawaka is way better than that" comes into play.
Also an artist's merit come into play. Say you make an anime or you see an anime that you really get attached to but other people say its garbage; well then you would naturally hate on anything that is more popular and recieves more positive recognition than whatever anime you made or became attached to because you wish that it could could recieve the same love and fanbase that the others may enjoy |
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Bosque
 Posts: 102 Location: Chile (castillian-talker) |
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¿wasn't there a very similar topic? oh... it was deja-vu.
Well, some people try that other people consider them as "experienced-very-old-otaku" so they say "heey, it's in fasion, it's bad, everyone should watch Devil Robot Dominion or "any rare anime" and know what anime really is"... and, it's pathetic  .
There'll be always good anime that are popular and popular bad anime and everything in both sides (good, bad,popular, un-popular), considering the subjectivity og the words "quality", "good" and "bad". And there'll be always want-to-be-cool people that will always tell you that the series that is on TV or in fashion is bad and that the best anime ever is some title that nobody but he knows. And Pokemon is a fantastic anime, you'll kill me but i rated it masterpiece , well, that's not the point but Pokemon is great. 
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TranceLimit174
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I think you misread what I wrote. I was saying that it could be viewed that popular anime isn't artistic, however that isn't neccessarily true. |
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PantsGoblin
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Sometimes the reason people dislike popular anime is because they hear so many great things about it and their expectations become too high. When they actually watch it, it's not as good a they thought. It's happened to me before also. That's not always the case though, I think people consider it to be uncool to like things that are popular. Doesn't make sense to me either. I really dislike the people who won't even attept to watch it though (and I know some people like this).
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Azathrael
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You know what? This is the ignorant set of mind that exacerbates this misconception of anime fans thinking other anime fans judge anime by popularity. Exactly who are you talking about? "A majority" "large group of" - People I've never seen or heard of. Nobody ever disliked something because it was popular - then it wouldn't be popular to begin with. This misconception is already a contradiction of itself. Like other people said, maybe the hype disappointed them whereas an unpopular anime wouldn't have as much hype. Maybe some people don't like kid's anime like Pokemon or DBZ. Maybe they're sick and tired of hearing about it from other people, TV, advertisements, and whatnot. Nobody dislikes it simply because it's "popular". |
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CyberViper
Posts: 218 Location: Matsumoto, Nagano Japan |
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Well, I didn't really read everything so i'll be short.
I think the reason why 'popular' anime becomes disliked is because since it's so popular at first they make more and more of it. As they make more and more of it, it starts to get repetative. When this happens it gets boring and annoying. Pokemon might have been more interesting if it were 26 or 50 episodes. The same goes for DBZ. I think it's just that eventually people get bored with it and begin to hate it. That's just my take on all this. |
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fighterholic
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It's all up to the mind of the individual person, whether they like the anime or not. If they like or don't like it, that's their thing.
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NyuuChan
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I'll admit right now, i only scanned the above posts, i did not read them all top to bottom. But, from what i got, alot of it makes sense. I haven't really had a series "built up" on me and then have it drop the ball, or miss my expectations; however the sentiment makes sense, and i think i see where you're all coming from. I'd be kinda annoyed if something i expected to "pwn all ass" wound up sucking too.
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dark_hand
Posts: 42 Location: Canada |
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just like pantsgoblin said, it's usually caused by our own expectation. for example, when you see an amateur video clips on the internet, it has bad audio visuals lighting etc etc. but you go that wasnt so bad actually. imagine what your reaction will be if holywood produced such clips to theatres. so a show thats popular will have certain expectation from the people. or rather certain high expectation that sometimes is way too high.
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DemonEyesLeo
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I addition to the expectations thing; another possible answer would be that the anime is not "underground" and "unknown." People like the idea that, because they watch something that few others have heard about, they are unique and not in with the crowd. But if they like something that's popular and known by many, then they no longer get that feeling of being unique. Basically it's an "I'm too cool for it" attitude, so they say "it's garbage, I don't like it, I'm more into this obscure title that only 3 others know of." So now they've separated themselves from the rest of the crowd and get that feeling of being unique and different.
Of course both this and the hightened expectations are reasons for a dislike of popular titles. There's no one answer to the question, it's many different answers. |
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