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mdo7
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I went to Wikipedia to see if it's true, I was surprised and wasn't aware Malaysia is taking part in this also. Well, I'm waiting for Thailand to probably remake an American film.
I can understand where you come from on this. I'm slightly worried how'll they handle the film. But for now, we don't know the final product of this live-action Akira film.
Is my Facebook profile good enough for you??? My last name Do is Vietnamese. Can I also ask to make sure you're not a hypocrite, because some of your comments are somewhat missing a lot of thing and maybe a little hypocritical.
That's what Hollywood is doing for Akira, the same thing that Toei did for Spiderman. Cater it for the audience. How's that any different??
Is this link good enough??
I double check and did some research. I stand corrected, Paranormal Activity 2 is a prequel to the first, while Tokyo Night is a sequel to the first one. So I agree it's not a remake, it's a sequel. But it's still adapting American franchises for a Japanese audience.
Yes, and Takashi Shimizu who directed Ju-On: The Grudge, directed the American remake. Also, Hideo Nakata who directed the original Japanese film, The Ring also directed the American version of The Ring 2. How's that any different??? Also what does US company co-producing these Asian remake of American films have to do with your argument?? A remake is a remake, it doesn't matter if US is involved or not. I'm just glad US gave back to Asia for remaking their films, to me it's fair game when US allow Asia to remake American films. Also you forgot that the Chinese remake of What Women Want didn't have Paramount Picture involvment in it, they didn't co-produce the remake.
The American remake of The Grudge took place in Japan just like the original film, so what?? Most of the Asian remake of American films have took place in Asia. Only the Japanese remake of Sideways took place in California.
Well I praise Asia for acknowledgement of the original film, I would like US doing this for their remake of Asian film too. But there are time that US does acknowledge the original film they do remake on. -At the opening of The Magnificent Seven, the opening credt acknowledge Seven Samurai being the original film. -When The Ring (American remake) was shown on Pay-Per-View, they also shown the Japanese version along with it. -After the success of The Departed, Dragon Dynasty rereleased the Infernal Affairs trilogy on DVD, they show ads for the trilogy on DVD and the ads said in the opening "the film that inspire The Departed".
I understand, I took Asian American studies in my college and I'm aware of how Asian are not getting lead role and whites taking that role. I'm a little concerned about the cast and I do question how Hollywood is handling this. But this is not my point for this post. My point of the post is that there are hypocrite that hate what America does to Asian stuff, but defend what Asia does to American stuff. Let me ask you question: Why do people hate it when Hollywood remake Asian film, but yet when Asia remake American films, they either keep silence or sometime praise (and bash the original American film) Asia for remaking American film???. I compare the bashing of American live-action adaptation of anime/manga to the bashing of American remake of Asian film. Because people are being inconsistent and hypocritical. Also, we don't even know the final cast of Akira, so we can't just "shoot first, ask later". |
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chibiyusa
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It's not catering it to the audience. Surprisingly, the United States is not a country of entirely white people. If they were truly catering movies to the audience, based on demographics "there would be more Hollywood movies starring women than men. 1 out of 8 movies would star a Black or African American actor. 1 out of 5 movies would star a Latino character. Every summer, there would be at least one big movie starring an Asian American actor. Every year, at least one or two movies would star Native American actors". In addition roughly 40% of movie goers aren't white, so yeah.
True, we don't know the final cast but we do know that they have only sought out white actors for the lead role. Like I had mentioned earlier, the demographics in Manhattan presently have a very significant Asian-American population, so it would not really be out of place to have an Asian-American actor in the lead role especially if it is to be set in the future. Why would anyone bash those other movies when the thread is about the Akira live action? It would be more inconsistent to "bash" a completely unrelated film in a very specific thread. Also, it would make sense for people on this thread to care more about the Akira live action film (and not those other films you listed) because it's to be marketed for an English speaking audience. Most Asian films don't seem to be marketed for an English speaking audience, so it's less likely for people here to even follow those movies and they are probably not the target audience for those films either. I'm sure those films have their critics too. And besides the point, those remakes are adapted for the audience of their country. I have an issue with the Akira live action because it's totally ignoring the representation a large percentage of the potential audience. |
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LargeView
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I asked for proof if you are Asian American because people online can be deceitful. I'm glad to see you aren't.
Ah but you see it's not the same. You see you missed these important parts of my statement: It never was officially released to the west until only recently when marvel started providing on streaming for the series and this was more or less 30 years after the show was aired. There was already an American live action Spider-Man series by the time Toei created theirs which pretty much changed everything about Spider-Man except the costume and powers. The point? This Hollywood Akira movie is the only live action version of Akira. Also, Hollywood films due to all the money Hollywood has will release their Akira worldwide. All other foreign film industries, especially Asian's, do no have this luxury. Therefore, everyone will have to watch the Americanized version if they want to see it live action. This wouldn't be bad if it wasn't white washed and that's the other thing. Like as been said before America has a significant nonwhite population unlike most countries in Asia. There is no reason to not cast Asian Americans in the lead roles even if the location is moved to New York. New York even more so as it is one of the states with the largest population of Asian Americans in the country.
It isn't. That's before the movie came out and it could have used the same mistaken source. Can you find something after the movie was released that confirms the movie is a remake of Phone Booth?
It doesn't count because it is a canonical sequel. Trust me, I have seen it. It was released in the U.K but not in the U.S. for whatever reason.
Those directors did not spearhead the American remakes. They simply were hired by the American film companies. Not the same.
Because it shows that the motivations are not the same. Also, how many of those Asian remakes were given wide releases in the West? Because you see the Hollywood remakes of Asian films got wide releases in Asia. That's a noticeable inequality.
I didn't forget. That's why I wrote this: The majority of all those Asian remakes of Western properties are CO-PRODUCED by the Western companies and in many instances are spearheaded by the Western companies.
I was simply pointing out a fact about the movie.
The first two are exceptions. The last one isn't because Warner Brothers has nothing to do with Dragon Dynasty and also because the releases of the Infernal Affairs trilogy is botched. The first movie which was released by Miramax when Harvey Weinstein was still the head of it has made up English subtitles instead of accurate ones. So not only did the makers of the Hollywood remake of Infernal Affairs bury the credit that its a remake in its end titles but the presentation of the original film is botched in North America. That doesn't happen the other way around.
I personally don't have a problem with remakes. Remakes interest me because I like seeing different interpretations of one story. What bothers me is the disrespect Hollywood generally has for the original foreign films and how rarely the original films get wide releases in the West. This has do with the inequality in that Hollywood wants to make money off of foreign movies and take the credit so they downplay the originals but promote their versions while Asian companies always make it clear that theirs is a remake. This is why I generally don't like it when Hollywood makes remakes of foreign films. It may also be the reason why a lot of people don't like when Hollywood does it either. But this isn't a remake so that isn't relevant here. This adaptation is based on the Akira manga which is a different beast from the Akira film. The point is no matter if it takes place in Japan or America there is no reason to not cast Asians as leads. This is why it's being called a "white wash". Asian American talent are not given their chance unless it's a secondary role, villain type or stereotypical part in Hollywood (e.g. asexual, nerdy, Dragon Lady, etc...). If they can't get casted even in a production where you could very well include Asians in it, then when are they going to get casted as leads? This is the frustration and anger about this movie and many others before it (e.g. 21, The Last Airbender, Dragonball Evolution). And there are no signs of it stopping. It's been said in the news just today that Warners is now fast tracking another live action movie based on a Japanese property called "All You Need Is Kill". The main character is Japanese in the original but now will be played by Tom Cruise. The original story had supporting characters that were American so whites still could've been cast and kept the main character Asian but it seems Warners will just cast the lead as white again. Just to stress how frustrating that is the original "Starship Troopers" novel had a Filipino character as the lead in it named "Juan Rico". Perfect opportunity for an Asian American but instead got white washed by having the character's name altered to "Johnny Rico" and played by white actor Casper Van Dien instead. That happened almost 15 years ago and it's shameful that there isn't change between then and now. |
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mdo7
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@Chibiyusa and LargeView:
Would it make you feel better if Japan/Asia want to do the same thing to American film, novel? Would you be OK if Japan/Asia whitewash or should I say "yellowwash" American film when they make their own version like maybe for example, a Japanese Green Lantern. Because I wouldn't mind if Japan/Asia return the favor to America by doing their "own version" of American film, or whatever. I wouldn't mind: -Japan doing it's own version of Sin City, with all characters who are all white being replace by Japanese and Asian. -Hong Kong doing a version of Green Hornet, where all character are Asian, well Kato can be play Takeshi Kaneshiro to keep close to Kato's Japanese heritage. There's already a version made in 2006 by France. What would you want Japan/Asia to do to make up for all those "whitewash" like you claim? Would having Japan/Asia whitewash American stuff make you feel better, or is this not enough? I can understand your concern about Hollywood whitewashing, but it always been like this. A few months ago, one person ask me: If people are complaining about Hollywood whitewashing Asian stuff, then shouldn't we accuse Akira Kurosawa of whitewashing Shakeapeare play when he make it into a film. For example, Throne of Blood is based on Shakesperae's Macbeth. Kurosawa move the European setting to Japan and replace all characters (who are all white) with Japanese. The same thing goes for The Bed Sleep well which is Kurosawa version of Hamlet, again all character became Japanese. Ran was his version of King Lear. Just like the above 2 films, all cast are Japanese not white like in Shakespeare's story. We might as well go after Korea's version of Dangerous Liasons, the film was based on a famous french story. The film replaced white cast with Asian cast. I'm wondering how this went under the radar. |
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LargeView
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I assume then you didn't bother to read my latest reply to you because if you had you would have no reason to post this question and the rest of the post that this question belongs to. It's almost as if you hit your head and forgot everything I wrote. |
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chibiyusa
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First off, Japan =/= Asia. And I really don't care whether or not any country in general remakes an American film/novel/etc. I am usually not bothered by remakes in general, unless it's in regards to the lack of creativity in Hollywood films these days, which is an entire issue altogether. Also, as LargeView has said repeatedly:
It's usually not the Asian companies who are remaking those films anyway.
I don't even know what you are asking anymore. Japan =/= the rest of Asia. Why would Asian countries whitewash films. How would that make me feel better? How would that even make sense? The definition of "whitewash" in the strictest non chemical sense is "to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes or scandals or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data." In a way, this is not so far off from the late usage of the term in regards to race in media. The more common usage today seems to relate more to race, especially with relations between "whites" and "non-whites". Hollywood is actively glossing over entire minorities who are paying money to watch their films by this continual persistence to only pursue white actors. Your usage of the term whitewash doesn't make sense in any definition. The issue at hand really is that Asian-Americans are rarely, if ever, given the chance to portray lead roles in film. Why would it really be necessary for Kurosawa to have cast random white actors among Japanese villages in these films when there wasn't even a signficant white audience in Japan at the time? America, however, encompasses a wide variety of races, the most of which are never given proper screen time on tv and movies. And I still don't understand why you do not see the problem with them keeping the Japanese names and title yet pursuing only white actors for the lead roles. At least Kurosawa and those other examples adapted those other things thoroughly so as to make them relatabel to the audience. Aside from the fact that at least 40% of moviegoers might appreciate seeing a non-white lead for a change, the problem with what Hollywood is doing with the Akira live action is that they are keeping these Japanese names and refusing to consider Asian-American actors for those roles. Not to mention the fact that just because it's set in Manhattan it automatically must have a white actor in the lead role. I think you are failing to see the distinction between a remake and a whitewash. Remakes are cool. Whitewash, not so cool. Also, context. America =/= not all white. Asia, mostly Asian. I mean, if you were arguing how in some other countries they were also ignoring/marginalizing other groups present in their country through film, I'd see your point and it'd be valid and I'd be like yeah. For example you could bring up Bollywood and make a case for the lack of strong Muslim representation in their films, and I would agree and say movies should be more inclusive. But you're not. But shoving information down someone's throat rarely works and is often detrimental to any argument, so unless you bring up a new point, I will have to cease discussing this further. Another potential issue I have with the movie is the lack of the bike gang. Also why does Kaneda need to own a bar? One of the things I liked about the original movie was that this was a post apocalyptic world barely surviving. This sense of anarchy and general messed up nature of things, I thought, was really well depicted through the prevalence of youth motorcycle gangs. Being a bar owner kinda changes Kaneda's dynamic in a way that I would have to truly see if it still works. Though, given the casting decisions I most likely will have to rely on reviews of the film. Also, was not the bond of BFFs strong enough that they have to be brothers now? The fact that their bond was so strong, regardless of family relations, was particularly touching. In a sense, it also highlighted the broken nature of society; children really only had each other to rely on to survive. But I could just be reading too harshly into this and quickly dismissing the film because I am so thoroughly disgusted by the casting decisions. |
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mdo7
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Look, I'm not going to even bother with this thread anymore. We can't seem to agree, we have different views, and this is a waste of time. I'm going to leave with this statement
1. I'm not defending Akira choice of casts. I'm concerned though. 2. Even if they have white people playing the characters, I'm not going to complain. Because to me, it's no different when a Japanese actor played Spiderman (when in the original source, he's white). If I have to say Akira a whitewash, I have to say the same thing for Toei's Spiderman is a whitewash too. Because I'm not a pro-Asian supremacist that pull double standard on how 2 countries handle each other stuff unlike most people. |
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chibiyusa
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I'm a pro-Asian supremacist.... because I want more equality in Hollywood films? Before you start slandering other people, at least look up the definitions of what you are accusing them of.
When did anyone ever say Asians were better than whatever? Please don't throw around inflammatory remarks like that. It is immature and, having met actual supremacists, a bit disheartening. It's obvious we aren't agreeing because you aren't understanding anything I say. The supposed "contradictions" you accuse me of have been summarily shot down multiple times already. |
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jdnation
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Slightly? Lol! My main beef is that they are half assing this so thoroughly when they don't have to. There are many ways to make the film palatable for American audiences while changing things around to have white actors. This synopsis proves how inefficient they are at it. Here's a better idea: Set the film in Japan, following the Akira incident and WWIII. Have a big American military presence in Japan following that. Have a mixed cast of Japanese and Americans. 'Kaneda' and 'Tetsuo' can be played by white actors, who are of American ethnicity (maybe mixed American/Japanese) raised in Japan and are now orphaned and being brought up amongst other Japanese kids. Because of their ethnicity, they are bullied and often cast aside. This leads them to accept a life of delinquincy and they form a biker gang which includes them and other Japanese guys who they make friends with. They can be 18-21 years of age when the story begins. Not too old to be full fledged bar-owning adults, not too young to be kids. Aroudn this time, folowing the war other Americans can also be living in Japan as civilians. The colonel himself can actually be an American as can many members of the military alongside the JSDF. The topics of the film can revolve around ethnic unrest between patriotic Japanese and foreigners after an occupation blamed on Japan for WWIII following the Akira incident. The other political topics that are also timely can be about the American military finally on the verge of pulling out and handing governmental control back to the Japanese. There can even be protestsby Japanese demanding American withdrawal. But the colonel wants to buy mroe time to make sure things go smoothly while keeping the Akira project under control as the American government has an interest in this. Follow the same beats as the manga from there on out. Kei can be played by an asian girl, and her part's not a big one so they could easily cast an unknown. Boom! I've just solved the idea of making it such that the film remains relevant to its cultural roots, has white actors in the main roles, and brings in current day topics of interest. And given that this is the future, the location itself will be completely different and mostly CG so it's not like they have to travel to Japan to film any of it. It can all be shot locally. Just need to pepper the scenes with lots of Asian extras who won't be hard to find. And I offer this advice here for free. Whereas Hollywood with all its writers and creativity goes for the most shallow watered down route. |
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Mohawk52
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LargeView
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jdnation,
You're incredibly naive to think your proposed synopsis fixes anything. Your synopsis is worse. Not only do you maintain the same discriminatory casting practices (white leads but nonwhites for secondary roles only) but you go further to make their bullies in your synopsis Asian as well. You even go as far as suggesting that Kei can be Asian so that will also go back to the stereotype that Asian women in Hollywood films only have white men as their romantic interests and rarely if ever an Asian man. You literally made a plot that is even more in line with the stereotypical roles that nonwhites are limited to in Hollywood and you actually thought you fixed something! This is the result of growing up with a media that constantly brainwashes people to makes it seem as if everything in the world revolves around whites. The very thought of seeing an American movie with people that aren't white as the leads is so alien to you that you have to come up with a plot so convoluted just so you can justify having white people as the leads in this story instead of just hiring Asian Americans in the lead roles and be done with it. Please read the replies that I have left before in this thread as well as chibiyusa's. There is a lot to take in and I hope you digest the contents. |
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BorderlineOtaku1991
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Really? I didn't know that. I figured it was, like, required viewing among anime fans.
True, but I'm guessing most people in this "vast majority" have friends who've seen the original. I have a feeling the film's not gonna get good word-of-mouth.
You know, you're absolutely right. I shouldn't have said it's gonna fail financially. However, I'm 100% positive that it'll fail critically. PS:
Just letting you know, you're talking to a guy with Asperger's. |
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