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Otaku Teahouse
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Spell check: it's not KeepAnime"Alice".com, it's "Alive"...
On subject however, I highly approve. [EDIT: Fixed. - Key] |
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Majic
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Oh, so this isn't related to Gakuen Alice.
Oh the other hand, I also must approve of the idea and hope it does well. 
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egoist
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So, someone is taking a different and better approach. Perhaps I'm a little tired of "don't download illegally", since that's more of a neutral thing with benefits to both sides. For someone who downloads an outrageous amount of fansubs, I find bootleggers an absurdity that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Now, if some anti-piracy freak comes in and tells me what's wrong and what's not, I'll just tell you that I wouldn't be an anime fan was it not for fansubs. The end. |
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Hiyugi
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I approve of this site!
I'm part of that crowd "Fansubs did help the industry and we don't need it anymore to know what 'Anime' is". When I was making my rounds to Best Buy and Borders, I notice a anime store in my town opened up... However he sells nothing but knock-offs of Anime Merchandise in his store like Death Note Books and Pikachu cosplay hats (Ain't no way Nintendo authorized that). I know they were bootleg because of this small convention I went to and how they were poorly made. None of my friends wouldn't believe me either, because they go to the shop frequently. Which ended my friendship with them because of that stupid store in Ohio. I think they call it Seann's comic and anime shop or something... I hate companies like that who sell knockoffs, it makes it hard for other businesses to do better 
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chefneer
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I support this effort and hope it does well. Their website doesn't have a whole lot of content yet (they are still a baby after all), but it will be interesting to see how it evolves. They have a couple of feeds from ANN and Funi so it looks like they're looking for reliable sources - a promising start.
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TJ_Kat
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while i applaud the sentiment behind this site, i honestly doubt it will do a lot of good. the people who visit the site will mostly already be of like mind and it will just amount to a whole lot of preaching to the choir. the people who disagree with the message will either a)troll the site, or b)not visit it and merrily carry on with their pirating ways.
nothing to do but wait and see; hopefully they prove me wrong. |
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jtnishi
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I wish them the best. They don't seem to have any serious ulterior motives other than perhaps a clear conscience, and it sounds like they really probably don't have a serious financial tie to any of the industry players, so I have no beef.
Though I think TJ_Kat is right, they aren't likely to do nearly as much good as, say, the industry is by doing more streaming of series closer to the original broadcast dates. |
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Shichimi
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^ But there will always be people who feel that fansubs are superior, because they use a specific colour of text for the subs, or their translation is more reliable compared to paid professionals, or what have you. ¬_¬
Still it's always good to see people actually being proactive about this, and not just sitting around bitching. Last edited by Shichimi on Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:21 am; edited 1 time in total |
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jsc315
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Yea, I never got that. I went to fansubs groups website recently that was doing Bleach and was was delaying on a lot of episodes. I used to use them but since Crunchyroll I had no need for them anymore. I went in to comment how about using crunchyroll. There was some stupid argument about how they couldn't watch bleach anymore. I Suggest Crunchyroll and that you can get it faster and Supporting the industry is a good thing. They told me how inferior CR subs were and that these fansubs were so much better and that CR did not know how to subtitle at all and that they suck! Soon after the group disbanded and is no longer anymore since they really were not into doing the show anymore. I just find it hilarious that people think they know what they are talking about and spout lies thinking it's true when it's not even close. OK, Crunchyroll subs on Bleach are not perfect but I have taken enough Japanese to know its not horrible and its on par of what the fansub group was doing. |
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PetrifiedJello
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What state would that be? Other than "confusion".
3...out of 250+. Oops, I spilled a fear-free fact which won't drive visitors to the website. Of those 3, all didn't have any significant releases in the past few years. Rather important, right? Not when visitor counts are at stake.
These are also the same fans who use the word "steal" when discussing piracy, will forgive "fan subbing" if they buy a title or two, and will not accept any reasonable alternative because "it doesn't make money". This is before the Moral Compass is pulled out. When "Keeping Anime Alive" (a ridiculous title, by the way) is ready to combat piracy, here's the first message the website should announce: Start buying the shit you don't like, stupid, because it's these titles which struggle while you're only buying the titles you do like. Though, given they're still being produced, even this is questionable. I'd offer my opinion, but I'm confident the Fox News approach taken by this website speaks for itself. So, will "Keeping Anime Alive" have an hour long podcast featuring a fear mongering individual telling the world to stock pile anime while they still have it? It would be so fitting if it did. Ow! Another piece of the sky just hit me. |
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jsc315
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@PetrifiedJello
I can't completely disagree with you on your statement there. If there was more creativity and not a ton of pointless useless anime coming out then maybe it would be doing better. Instead of blaming the consumer maybe consider new business model. Her in the US Funimation and a few others seem to understand the business model of selling visual media. Doing what the RIAA or MPAA is doing is not going to fix anything at all. Also, when your fanbase is in the teen demographic and generally do not have jobs and have the internet where anime is easily available. I cant blame fansubs at all. Saying that would mean that they are taking profit away from the industry when it probably has nothing but helped it. Someone viewing something online does not automatically mean a sale or profit by any means. You first have to Understand the internet and people before you can even have this argument. I'm saying in general terms not to anyone in particular. Without understanding any of this this group is just as bad as the RIAA by trying to change something without actually knowing what the real problem is. Though I am all against bootlegs. |
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Nayu
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Wow, it doesn't surprise me at all that this press release refers to the similarly well-intentioned but ill-informed sustain the industry youtube meme....
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Ringking
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Well, im half in agreement with what this sites about. Theres this little store not to far from my place that sells tonnes of bootlegged japanese things, movies, CD's Anime, Gundam model kits ect ect.
What gets me is that people buy these bootlegs when they could pay $10 more and buy the legitimate DVD's from Game Traders or EZY DVD, both of which are just a short walk away. So as far as stamping out bootlegged physical media goes (or people who profit from piracy) goes, im all for it. My position on fan subs is, however, different. Personally, i think fan subs do a lot both for the industry (making new fans, market research) and for the consumer (try before buy, allowing people to see anime which isn't licensed). The only issue i ever take with fan subs are when those subs are taking money out of someones pocket when they shouldn't be, like when a licensed DVD is ripped (that's not a fansub, thats just piracy). A person in the US downloading a fansub of a japan-only title dosent take any money from anyone, and thus its not an issue. So, to summarize. Fansubs are not whats causing the issues with the US industry, its DVD ripping (or people not ceasing to distribute licesned series). It's that aspect that needs to be cracked down on, but not fan-subbing as a whole. The only time i would agree that 100% of fansubbing needs to be killed is when 100% of product becomes available in a manner that 100% of people (who can speak/read English) can understand. When it comes to viewing licensed series,I do my bit by having a moral standard. I have a 6 episode evaluation period to decide if i like a series or not. If i dont like the series ill drop it (though i usually wouldn't get to ep 6 anyway) if i do like the series ill continue with it. If the series then becomes (or already is) licensed, then im required to buy it. |
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PetrifiedJello
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Be careful with a statement like this because it's not an accurate one. If anime were to produce more stellar titles, the problem would get worse, not better. Think of it like this: right now, there are 100 people trying to support 5 studios (keeping this simple), each selling their wares at the same price. If all 5 studios produced quality work, there's no way the cost could be sustained by the 100. The industry needs those mediocre titles because they're quick revenue makers. Very cheap animation (and I doubt they hit the $100k mark per episode, but I could be wrong) and people buy them. These titles are what help fund the better productions. People often associate a series by the studio, which is okay, but it leaves out the investors, many of whom put a great deal of revenue in multiple projects. Few stellar titles support support 100% of the industry. Books, music, movies, and TV. Anime is no different.
While I agree with this, it's difficult to sustain new business models when both sides of the argument of piracy are narrowly focused on one particular product: The manga or DVD. Until both sides are willing to accept a reasonable position to the changing market, it's moot to even suggest them. Note the plural.
Don't do this, please. It completely skews the discussion. The **AA are organizations which are (pretending) to be in favor of the artist interest. They are not distributors or studios. Apples and oranges. As for the FUNimation remark, I agree the company does its best to do what fans like, but ultimately, they're still a business and will cut a title in a second should it not sell (which is the problem often blamed on piracy).
There's a contradiction in this very statement. Do you see it? This argument is flawed because those who do buy have the very same access as the teens. In other words: they're buying because they enjoy the series. Now ask these same people if they're willing to spend $80 on Cardfight: Vanguard!. In looking at the current ANN Winter preview guide, I dare anyone to try and determine which of the titles produced will be the winner in "sales". In a world where Big Windup fails to attain a second season release and Strike Witches looks to be FUNimation's new tentpole title, I stopped trying to understand today's anime fan base years ago. Not a bad thing, but certainly nothing to indicate a guarantee of what it will buy and what it will reject as it (too often) blames piracy for the problem. *** Now, back to the topic at hand. Chris Perry, of KAA, sent me a PM asking me to think about doing a write up to offer a position which is opposite of the "issues" many see plaguing the industry. He also laughed at a few of the comments, especially the bold one. I told him I'd consider it. The problem isn't the write-up. It's the audience, the same one which uses factless information to support their argument as they read another factless write-up. The conflict is already there before I've written a single word. I'm confident I can do the writeup without discussing copyright and generalizing economics, but at the same time, I just don't think it'll do a thing when the audience I'm targeting grew up in an era screaming "DON'T MIX THAT TAPE!" Perhaps a few opinions from readers of this thread could help make the decision for me. |
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egoist
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On the figure of that shopkeeper? Yes, why not.
I'll place my bet on Kimi ni Todoke. Whether or not it fails, I either win the bet, or see another romance bologus sink. It's a win win situation.
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