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I see anime as a bit like Shrek. Shrek was obviously a movie for kids but it threw in alot of pop culture jokes of the wink wink, nudge nudge variety to keep adults entertained. By appealing to both adults and children, it was able to make large profits. Magical girl shows are childish enough for kids but with a little "fanservice" they can get the lolicon market as well.

This leads me to another point I wanted to make about women in anime. Alot of them are dumb beyond all belief, especially in "slice of life" shows or lolicon. These anime definitely support that odd phenomenom when Japanese women want to act "cute." The titter, hide behind their hands, talk in high pitched voices, etc.

But then you have the shows like Kanon, with the stock "cute one," "bitchy one," "lolicon fanservice one."

I'm not condoneing the guy who gets off to loli/rori manga and only watches a show because of young characters.

The thing I wish you and others bashing certain fans or certain shows would realize is that many watch these shows for the show itself. Again, look at something like Kamichu. It has a great story, great art, great music, and is generally a good show. If people are pedophiles or "creeps" because they enjoy something other then action, mystery, or drama, you're casting a large and blind net over a lot of anime fans.

Regardless of what some elitists in this thread think, I'm still going to enjoy shows like Victorian Romance Emma, Kamichu, and Honey & Clover. If you wanna blast me for being male and not watching mindless fanservice/action shows, go ahead. I just wish some of you would realize that not everyone watches something like CCS or Kamichu to see underage anime characters bend over or pose a certain way. True you have some that could care less about the show, and just look for the next loli/fanservice character. But again, you have others who watch the show for the show.

So, one time while we were watching an episode of CCS with other friends someone made a comment about how Li was "cute". These were college age people that said a 4th grader was cute. So, what would you think of them then?

Here's another one: For me personally, I own several shouen (sorry...late, can't spell) anime's and manga series where the main characters are boys between the ages of 13 - 17. What does this mean about me?

And what if I were to tell you that most of the other DVD's I have are action-adventure-comedy that are clean (no sextual content and overly-graphic violence)? Maybe one of the only ways to get such content in anime is to get an anime that is pointed towards a younger audience and, therefore, mostly cleaner.
And what if I said I was a tomboy and normally would choose action over romance?
(And don't get started on other animes with older characters that are clean like that, I also own other series like Trigun and such.)

So if adult males that watch shows like CCS are "disturbed" what about adult females that watch shows with younger male centered characters.

And thanks to whoever put the diffinitions down. That was useful. I know there are several characters in animes that many of us start to think of as little brothers/sisters. Thats probebly way I like FMA so much. I have two little brothers who are very similar to Ed and Al. So I guess you can say I start to have "protective feeling towards" some of the anime and manga characters out there.

I suspect that a lot of the people who are eager to make such sweeping accusations do so because they can't get a handle on the emotions that they, themselves, experience while watching these underage female characters. They then externalise their fears of inappropriate emotions, by projecting them onto others. If they'd just realise that what they're feeling is protectiveness, not lust, and that there is no reason to fear it, then maybe they'd mature enough to leave the rest of us in peace.

- abunai

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What I meant is that you can tell the erotism in the scene, even if it doesn't appeal to you. That is what disturbes me (and everyone else, I guess).

But that's not really my point. You seem to be asserting that because you see the scene as erotic it must be. Now I admit I'm a bit ignorant on this subject since I tend to avoid the magical girl genre, but assuming that something is erotic because you see it as erotic seems flawed.

I agree that if the erotic elements are added intentionally than the primary market would be japanese. However, that doesn't necessarily sell me on the fact that these elements are added intentionally. Espicially if their primary audience is little girls and not the niche of a large econimic force in the country that like to see little animated girls naked.

To put it other terms, college students can be a large economic force in this country, but the amount of college students who like five-day-old pasta would be too small to market to them.

This is obviously lolicon and is not aimed at little girls but is fanservice for otakus, just look at the airing hours on the different local channels on the official website (nanoha.com): 25:30～26:00, 25:35～26:05, 25:45～26:15, 24:30～25:00 and 26:05～26:35. Shows airing in the middle of the night are most of the time for otaku.

so I can't see why the studio would add that visual effect if it was just targeted towards "little girls" But again my daughter isn't Japanese.

Iniksbane wrote:

Quote: What I meant is that you can tell the erotism in the scene, even if it doesn't appeal to you. That is what disturbes me (and everyone else, I guess). But that's not really my point. You seem to be asserting that because you see the scene as erotic it must be. Now I admit I'm a bit ignorant on this subject since I tend to avoid the magical girl genre, but assuming that something is erotic because you see it as erotic seems flawed.

If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, what else could it be?

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so I can't see why the studio would add that visual effect if it was just targeted towards "little girls" But again my daughter isn't Japanese.

Again thanks for providing me with some evidence for the claim.

just look at the airing hours on the different local channels on the official website (nanoha.com): 25:30～26:00, 25:35～26:05, 25:45～26:15, 24:30～25:00 and 26:05～26:35. Shows airing in the middle of the night are most of the time for otaku. And of course they never are for children, they're all supposed to be asleep.

hikaruchan wrote:

just look at the airing hours on the different local channels on the official website (nanoha.com): 25:30～26:00, 25:35～26:05, 25:45～26:15, 24:30～25:00 and 26:05～26:35. Shows airing in the middle of the night are most of the time for otaku. And of course they never are for children, they're all supposed to be asleep.

I hate to tell you this but airing time has nothing to do with anything at all as relating to children.
Eureka 7 airs ,at 7 am, on sunday mornings but if anyone has seen this show at all , its fairly obvious that with the themes it deals with that it is not for children, so you can just forget the whole time slot arguement.

I'm glad you asked that question. "What else could it be"? Maybe this guy:



Careful, now. We don't want you getting any erotic thoughts.

- abunai

Anecdotal evidence is just that and doesn't really count for much, when you get some "evidence" that is based purely on logic and facts, and not a knee jerk reaction you might have something.

abunai wrote:

Careful, now. We don't want you getting any erotic thoughts. - abunai

Ah! Colonel Sanders.

Mohawk52 wrote:

abunai wrote: Careful, now. We don't want you getting any erotic thoughts. - abunai Ah! Colonel Sanders.

I'll see your Colonel Sanders and raise you Pamela Anderson.

- abunai

Akumaphyre wrote:

Anecdotal evidence is just that and doesn't really count for much, when you get some "evidence" that is based purely on logic and facts, and not a knee jerk reaction you might have something.

True, one little girl's reaction isn't what you might call "scientific". But how many little girls would be allowed to watch a cartoon at 0100 in the morning, or even be bothered to get up at 0700 on a Sunday morning?

Depends really. If you have Boomarang (Tv channel) I'd say there was nothing wrong with a little girl watching a cartoon on that channel at 1am. Also, in regards to being bothered to get up on Sunday, it is entirely possible for kids to rouse themselves to catch a show they like. I remember getting up an extra hour early for school to catch Voltron and the Transformers back in my grade school days.

I'd have to say that time slot isn't always aimed to regulate mature content. If that were the case I'd definitely keep children away from that "highly adult" show Gigantor that runs 5:30am est on Adult Swim. There are many reasons behind run times other than content. Not to say content is never a factor, but cost and popularity are also factors. There are not enough hours in the "prime" viewing block to host every show that would like to make use of it. So, companies and stations have to determine what are the most profitable shows and fill those times with them.

Any responsible parent, or guardian would not allow a child under the age of 12 to stay up at those hours just to watch a cartoon, especially one with risqué content.

I thought we were talking about Japanese tele not US tele.

Depends really. If you have Boomarang (Tv channel) I'd say there was nothing wrong with a little girl watching a cartoon on that channel at 1am.